It wasn't so much having guns as how they were used.  The turks had 
guns, big ones, but the Europeans stopped their advance at the gates of 
Vienna.

graywolf wrote:
> Besides, just who's creationist myth are we supposed to believe? Personally I 
> like Coyote's better than Raven's. The only reason the Christian's argument 
> is so strong is they just had guns longer than most of the others.
>
>   


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