Yes. On May 22, 2007, at 6:35 PM, Tom C wrote: > I used to think that way too. However when one has time to spend > but not > the money, they spend the asset they can most afford to spend. > > In my case it was time. > > Is there anything wrong with that? > > Tom C. > > >> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:10:37 -0400 >> >> My point is you spent 10 hours fixing a broken washer. I value my >> time >> at about $70.00 an hour spending 10 hours diagnosing something on >> that >> basis I would be $375 in the hole. Actually I replace about half of >> them as a prophylactic measure. Only two absolutely needed to be >> replaced, the rest were well on their way to failing and at less that >> $1.00 each it was well worth replacing them all at the same time. >> The >> switch was dodgey and on it's way to failure as well. I could >> probably >> have monkeyed around with to make it work better, but only a >> couple of >> bucks extra it seemed a no brainer to replace it at the same time. >> >> Tom C wrote: >>> I already told you, but what's your point? Mine is that I saved >>> $325 I >>> didn't have free to spend on the unexpected problem. It's not >>> that it >> was >>> hard, to fix because done once I could do it again in less than >>> an hour. >> I'm >>> a clod when it comes to things mechanical. >>> >>> It sounds like you replaced lots of minor items without >>> troubleshooting >>> them. Whereas I ran though the diagnostic flow chart, took off the >> drain >>> pump, checked it to see if it's clogged and operating correctly, >>> etc. >> Much >>> of that, in the end, was time spent isolating the problem, not >>> actually >>> repairing it. >>> >>> You can't make me feel bad about it. :-) >>> >>> Tom C. >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >>>> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:26:43 -0400 >>>> >>>> How many hours did you spend fixing your washer? I replaced every >>>> important sensor and a switch, (essentially rebuilding the >>>> electrical >>>> system), in less that two hours. Most of that was figuring out >>>> how to >>>> take the back off. >>>> >>>> Tom C wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think the new technology is often easily repairable. It's >>>>> just that >>>>> >>>> most >>>> >>>>> of the electronics is now manufactured overseas and it's >>>>> incredibly >>>>> >>>> cheap. >>>> >>>>> A company makes more profit replacing an entire circuit board that >> costs >>>>> >>>> $20 >>>> >>>>> and charging $250 + 1 hour labor, than they do trouble shooting >>>>> the >>>>> >>>> board >>>> >>>>> for an hour and replacing $.10 and $1.00 parts. For the >>>>> company, time >> is >>>>> money. Also, the customer unable to diagnose othe problem, is >>>>> happy >> just >>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>>> get the serviceman in and out. >>>>> >>>>> Tom C. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >>>>>> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:40:39 -0400 >>>>>> >>>>>> Front loads have been around for a long time, even here. The old >>>>>> technology is much easier to repair, and usually costs less >>>>>> than new >>>>>> electronic devices, which seem to designed to not be repaired. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well I don't claim to be a rocket scientist. It usually take >>>>>>> me 2 >> or >>>>>>> >>>> 3 >>>> >>>>>>> trips to the parts store or tool store before I get things right >>>>>>> >>>> because >>>> >>>>>> I >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> learn as I go. I was happy to have saved at least $325. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Two advantages of the newer front load washers (long popular in >> Europe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> only becoming popular in the USA over the last decade for >>>>>>> home use) >> is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> that >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> they use about 1/3 the water as older top load washers and >>>>>>> are much >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> easier >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> on clothes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Don't want to sound too alarmist but... >>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:49:04 -0400 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And it drys cloths no better than the 30 year old dryer I >>>>>>>> bought >> for >>>>>>>> $25.00 12 years ago, and fixed for less than $10. Replacing >>>>>>>> all of >>>>>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>>>>>> temperature sensors and door switch in less than two hours. (I >> ended >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> up >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> giving it away 6 months ago as I had no place to store it). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tom C wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What all these problems really indicate is how cheap, low- >>>>>>>>>> spec >> most >>>>>>>>>> of the electronic components being used are, even in high-end >>>>>>>>>> cameras. Curiously, my 1966 RCA transistor radio that cost >>>>>>>>>> me $20 >>>>>>>>>> (expensive back then!) is still going strong. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Godfrey >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Likely planned obsolescence? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On a side note, I just fixed our 2000 Maytag Neptune washer >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> >>>> had >>>> >>>>>>>>> stopped spinning clothes in the spin cycle. If it had failed >> about >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> two >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> yeas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ago I could have gotten it fixed for free under the terms of a >> class >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> action >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> lawsuit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It was going to cost upwards of $400 for a service call, an >>>>>>>>> entire >>>>>>>>> >>>> new >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> main >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> control board, and an item called a wax motor which is >>>>>>>>> essential >> to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> locking >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the door. I replaced the wax motor (ultimate source of the >> problem) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> with a blown resistor and two transistors on the main >>>>>>>>> board. In >> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> process >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I ruined a metal 'leaf' spring that holds the wax motor in >>>>>>>>> place >> and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> super >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> glued a switch closed, until the new parts arrived. Cost of my >>>>>>>>> >>>> repair >>>> >>>>>>>>> including parts which I runied in the process was under $75 >> dollars, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> though >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have about 10 hours invested in it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tom C. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> All dogs have four legs; my cat has four legs. 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