Colloquial usage does not apply to optical physics. Reading what someone 
says does not mean it is true. Go do the experiments I suggested, then 
it is your own knowledge you are going by.

-graywolf


Bob Blakely wrote:
> Sir graywolf,
> 
> American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source ap·er·ture
> (ap'?r-ch?r)  Pronunciation Key
> 
> n.
> 
> 1. An opening, such as a hole, gap, or slit.
> 
> 2.
> 
>     a.    A usually adjustable opening in an optical instrument, such
> as a camera or telescope, that limits the amount of light
> passing through a lens or onto a mirror.
> 
>     b.    The diameter of such an opening, often expressed as an
> f-number.
> 
>     c.    The diameter of the objective of a telescope.
> 
> So, aperture is often expressed as an f-number. I find this to be 
> univeraslly true when conversing with other photography. Example: Hey Bob, 
> "What aperture are you using?" I answer, "Eight, Fred." Fred knows I am 
> giving giving him Normalized aperture. An f-stop is simply a normalized 
> aperture - normalized to the focal length. It's the same concept as 
> normalized pressure. When the sidewall of my tire says "MAXIMUM PRESSURE: 45 
> PSI", I don't add about 15 psi to account for atmospheric pressure. We all 
> know that the pressure given in normalized to atmospheric pressure.
> 
> If you wish to anal about it and still be "technically correct" , I suppose 
> you could refer to the f-number as thr "specific aperture". At least other 
> photographers will get some useful information from you when you're asked 
> for the aperature you're using.
> 
> When someone asks the time, they don't want to know how to make a watch. 
> Take my word for it.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
>> In a message dated 4/29/2007 7:36:03 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "graywolf"
>> Subject: Re: M85mm f2.0 bokeh
>>
>>
>>> Most  folks do confuse f-stop with aperture, I sure used to. However,
>>> they  are not the same thing. So you are mistaken here (I have not looked
>>> at  the Wikipedia article to see if it is correct or not).
>>>
>>> I am not  going to go through all this again, folks, look in the
>>> archives; or  better yet, get the formulas and calculate DOF using f-stop
>>> and  aperture diameter, go out and shot some photos and compare them with
>>>  your calculations. Then, like me, you will never make that mistake 
>>> again.
>> =========
>> Huh. Haven't been paying much attention to this  thread.
>>
>> But I would presume while the diameter of an aperture opening  could be 
>> set
>> the same from lens to lens if one fiddled around, a f stop is  dependent 
>> on the
>> focal length of the lens. So a f/8 on a 16mm and a f/8 on a  200mm say, 
>> would
>> actually have a different size of aperture opening if one  measured the
>> diameter.
>>
>> Is that what you are talking about?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Marnie aka Doe :-)
>>
>>
>>
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