John Francis must be out of touch on the latest
HDTV displays their image quality compared
to ANY CRT HDTVS. I happen to own what is
considered by many the best CRT HDTV ever made, bar
none, (the Sony 34XBR960 of 2004). As much as
I like it, it is simply nowhere near as sharp as
the latest 1080P LCD displays from sony & some others
and all the earlier problems that the LCD
displays had back in 2004 have now been overcome
like poor contrast ratio, color gamut, colour
accuracy, etc compared to the best CRTs of
that time. In some cases those parameters now
exceed the best CRT HDTVS ever made. this
is why CRTs are being phased out in ALL
sizes now. All you have to do is go into
any best buy or circuit city and spend
about a half hour looking at all the latest
1080P LCDs and then browse over to the
few remaining CRT HD displays and take
a gander, they all look really bad
in comparison to the state of the LCD
art. Granted they dont have the very
best CRTs like mine there, those arent
even being made anymore, but the HD CRTS
in general just look plain blurry compared
to the best 1080p LCDs.

Regarding how much difference you
will see between the best upconverted DVD
signals and the best HD signals, the
better the HD display the more the
difference becomes apparent. On
these latest HD LCD 1080P sets its VERY apparent
difference, a few year ago, especailly
on CRTs the differece
was always noticably better but
nothing like the the difference
you see now. Try to see a 1080P
LCD playing a good Blu-Ray disc,
its really amazing.
 
One other caveat, not many people
who havent owned a HDTV know this,
but DVD is an excellent format
in itself but you cant even
begin to see it in full quality
without an HDTV becuase of 
component/HDMI , anamorphic disk,
progressive diplaying etc. So
you have to be careful when
comparing the difference between
DVD vs HD on a given HD set. 
Of course if you compare HD on
a HD set to DVD on an older non
HD set, he DVD will be blown away
with ANY HD set playing HD.
jco


jco

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
John Francis
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:36 PM
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Subject: Re: OT - for those of you who haveDVD equipthat can
playPALsystemDVD's


On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:40:48PM -0400, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
> > Sir, the typical Blu-Ray/HDDVD buyer is not
> > going to still use an older HD set that
> > doesnt have HDMI interface anyway,
> > As good as they were, none of the
> > older HD sets that dont have HDMI input
> > are as good as the best HD sets being
> > made at the time of BLURAY HDDVD
> > introductions and later. The bottom line, is
> > you wont even hardly see any
> > differece between blu-ray/HDDVD
> > on those older sets compared to
> > upconverted DVD if the set is
> > so old it doesnt have HDMI.
> >
>       I cry bullshit on this.  CRT's have been capable of reproducing
> 1920x1080 (i.e. 1080i, 1080p) and *certainly* 1280x720 (i.e. 720p) for

> many years.  Many "HD-ready" sets sold withing the past 12-18 months
do 
> not have HDMI-capable inputes.

Well, my (non-HDMI) HDTV might not be as good as "the best HD sets being
made at the time of BLURAY HDDVD introduction", but it (and many other
sets of that vintage) are quite capable of doing 1080i and 720p - that's
what over-the-air HDTV can do.

And while it's true that I won't see a difference between upconverted
DVD and blu-ray/HDDVD on my set, I sure as hell would be able to see a
difference if I could get a 720p or 1080i component signal from a HDDVD
player.  But as the manufacturers won't provide such a signal, the
argument is moot.

Blu-Ray/HDDVD have shot themselves in the foot; the early-adopters of
HDTV (back in the days when the price of entry was $5000 and up) aren't
quite ready yet to drop another few $K on a system upgrade (genuine
1080p LCD TVs are still pretty expensive, although the price is
beginning to come down to more reasonable levels).


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