No, I did lie and I am not a liar. I DID Ask you why you used M42 lenses stopped Down all the time ( which was a mistake Because you didn't say that ) but you Answered it anyway without any protest which is what perpetuated The questioning! The matter would have been dropped much Earlier if you hadnt basically agreed To my question as being correct. jco
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:51 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT Since you claimed I said something, then used your post to back up the claim (Depsite me proving I said no such thing). You are most definitely a liar. -Adam J. C. O'Connell wrote: > I am not a liar. I responded to MY question "( Why do you > Use M42 bodies and lenses stopped down ALL the time"). > With that it was faster. Those were your words not mine. > > Secondly, you never stated you needed to see DOF > All the time, most sane people just check it and > Go back to wide open to compose and shoot. > > Lastly, even if I made a mistake ( which ALL people do >>From time to time ) regarding whether you said most > Or all, it doesn't make me a liar, it makes me mistaken > Which is a big difference. > > JCO > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Adam Maas > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 2:54 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT > > My disinclination to correct your misstatement does not mean that I > stated it is so, especially when I'd stated immediately upthread how I > actually did use it. So you are using your own statement as your proof > that I said something, making you a fucking liar (not that that was in > doubt previously, given your refusal to admit to your own statements on > why old lenses should be supported when WR pointed out a major > conttradiction in your position). > > And focusing and composing stopped down can be faster, since focusing > speed is pretty much the same from wide open to stopped down 1-2 stops > and I don't have to pause and use the DoF stop-down to confirm DoF and > adjust focus to meet DoF requirements. Of course, this only applies to > bodies which can operate in both modes, like M42 bodies or Mamiya 645's. > > -Adam > > > J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> I specifically asked you WHY WHY WHY you did >> It all the time (that was my error) and you replied because its >> Faster, you didn't correct me and say you >> Did it some or most of the time with your >> Reply at that time so blame doesn't go only my way on this. >> Secondly, its not faster anytime is it? >> How is focussing and composing with the lens >> Aperture Closed EVER faster when you have an open >> Aperture body and lens? >> jco >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of >> Adam Maas >> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:17 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT >> >> Actually, I just dug through my sent mail folder to find out exactly >> what I had said on the issue. I did NOT say 'all the time', I said > this: >> "Hell, I don't even use auto-aperture function on my M42 lenses most > of >> the time on my M42 bodies (yeah, I still shoot with a Chinon CM-3 on >> occasion, and even more rarely with my Spotty). >> >> -Adam " >> >> So, JCO, do I get an apology about you putting words in my mouth (Even > >> if you did misuse that phrase as well) or are you just a liar? >> >> -Adam >> >> >> Adam Maas wrote: >>> No, aparently you are unfamiliar with the general usage of the phrase > >>> 'all the time', which means 'on a regular basis'. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>>> See , you changed your story. You initially stated >>>> You shot stopped down ALL THE TIME which was the >>>> Very reason I pressed on the matter because it was >>>> Senseless way to opertate. >>>> jco >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >> Of >>>> Adam Maas >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:54 AM >>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> Subject: Re: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT >>>> >>>> Except, based on the caveats I gave (Close to wide open, in good >> light), >>>> your arguments are incorrect. >>>> >>>> Your arguments are only correct for small apertures and low light. > IN >>>> which case, I focus wide open. And I rarely do the former, ant >> typically >>>> use my open-aperture only gear for the latter. >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>>>> It is NOT faster to focus stopped down, the wider DOF and dimmer >> image >>>>> Makes it HARDER not easier to focus accurately. Why >>>>> Do you think auto aperture cameras and lenses were developed >>>>> Way back in the 50's? Because its easier and faster way >>>>> To work. I know because I have been using those cameras >>>>> For years and years too. Less DOF means easier focus. Period. >>>>> I am not arguing how he works, I am arguing the REASON >>>>> He gave. >>>>> jco >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf >>>> Of >>>>> Shel Belinkoff >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 12:56 AM >>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> Subject: RE: K1D aperture simulator, part Three (III)- NOT >>>>> >>>>> You're just making a fool of yourself. What hubris to tell someone >>>> how >>>>> they choose to photograph or use their gear is wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Let me tell you something ... I don't know how old you are or how >> long >>>>> you've been photographing, but I'm willing to wager you're not as >> old >>>> as >>>>> I >>>>> and that you've not been photographing as long either. When I shot >>>> with >>>>> Spotties back in the late sixties, I'd often shoot with the lens >>>> stopped >>>>> down, and depending on the lens, light, and scene, I'd shoot @ 5.6 >> or >>>>> 8.0. >>>>> I knew EXACTLY what I was doing. Shooting that way could be fast >> and >>>>> accurate. With the better finders of today - brighter and more >>>>> contrasty - >>>>> it's even easier to shoot in that manner. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, YOU don't have to see it. It's what Adam sees that >> matters. >>>>> To call someone you don't know stupid and a liar here in a public >>>> forum >>>>> shows more about you and your character than you probably want us > to >>>>> know. >>>>> >>>>> Shel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> [Original Message] >>>>>> From: J. C. O'Connell >>>>>> See my last post, your reason for doing so is flawed >>>>>> And there are other reasons why its worse too. >>>>>> jco >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> Adam Maas >>>>>> John, You Ignorant Slut, >>>>>> >>>>>> It's quicker and I can see what's in focus at all times. Simple as >>>>> that. >>>>>> Just because you don't, doesn't mean I can't. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> J. C. O'Connell wrote: >>>>>>> When the thread title is stupid I am going to comment on it. >>>>>>> Secondly why havent you told us WHY WHY WHY you shoot with >>>>>>> M42 auto-aperture lenses and bodies stopped down all the time? >>>>>>> I don't believe it, either your stupid for doing so or your >>>>>>> A liar for saying so unless you have some good explanation >>>>>>> For doing so which I simply cant imagine as I am a LONG TIME >>>>>>> User of M42 bodies and lenses and that makes no sense whatsoever >>>>>>> To me at this point. I'd love to hear your reason for doing so. >>>>>>> Maybe there is something I am missing but I cant see it. >> > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
