Replying to myself again, I should have written "and the decoration of religious places with figurative art".
-- Cheers, Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Bob W > Sent: 24 September 2006 23:03 > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > Subject: RE: Street photography - religious objections > > just to expand on this a bit. Islam does not prohibit figurative art, > and there is a long tradition of figurative art. There are even Muslim > photographers, such as Abbas, working for Magnum. The Koran forbids > idolatry and the decoration of religious places, and these > prohibitions have led to this misunderstanding. > > Did you think Muslims don't take family snaps? > > -- > Cheers, > Bob > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Bob W > > Sent: 24 September 2006 22:55 > > To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' > > Subject: RE: Street photography - religious objections > > > > Based on your narrative, there's no reason to suppose that she > > objected on religious grounds. I had a Muslim girlfriend a few years > > ago and have loads of pictures of her and her children - these > things > > are a matter of interpretation and of different traditions within > > Islam. Equally, plenty of (apparently / obviously) non-Muslim people > > object to having their picture taken, even in public. > > > > It's up to you to decide whether or not you want to take any notice > of > > their wishes. I suspect it will depend on the circumstances. > Sometimes > > when people ask me not to take their picture I acquiesce; other > times > > I ignore them. There is no religious aspect to this. > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > Bob > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of Vic Mortelmans > > > Sent: 24 September 2006 22:19 > > > To: pentax epostlijst > > > Subject: Street photography - religious objections > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This forum has discussed legal objections to street photography > many > > > > > times. When I do street photograpy, it's not that often that I > > really > > > take a frame on individual people, so I don't really bother > > > about that. > > > If people are in the picture, they're mostly unaware and part > > > of a crowd > > > or passing by at some distance. Moreover, I'm an amateur and don't > > > > publish photographs, so I don't see any problem in that area. > > > > > > Today I was at a public street community fair (kind of garage > sail) > > > taking some pictures. Again: not framing individual people, but > just > > > > > catching the environment. Since we live in a multi-cultural city, > I > > > happened to frame a sale stand where a family of muslim people was > > > > looking around. One of the women directly signaled me that > > > she opposed > > > to have a picture taken. I know that this is forbidden by the > > > islam religon. > > > > > > I have a dual feeling about this. > > > > > > On the one hand, I can fully understand people to oppose to being > > > photographed, be it for religious reasons, privicy reason or > > > economical > > > reaons (if the pictures are commercialized), or whatever. That's > the > > > > > main reason why I'm not in to street photography with direct > > > contact to > > > the subject; I know the risk that the reaction is negative and > > having > > > arguments or even a row would make me loose the pleasure of taking > > > > pictures. > > > > > > On the other hand, I feel uncomfertable that a couple of > > > muslim people > > > mingling in a crowd can prohibit me to take pictures. What if I > > would > > > have been photographing my 2 year old son running around through > the > > > > > street and they happened to be in the background... Strictly > spoken, > > > > > that would have objected them as well, I guess. They're just > > > part of a > > > crowd. > > > > > > And I also have a third thought about this (but I hope I > > > don't start a > > > polemic discussion on this). I'm myself a practicing roman > > > catholic, so > > > I (think I) know what religion is about. Nevertheless, I > > > can't imagine > > > to interact with other people in my city community in this > > > defensive (*) > > > manner, based on my religious practice. But maybe I'm a bad > > > catholic... > > > > > > Anyway, this is my (little) story... I'd like to hear some > > > reaction to > > > that! Maybe this forum numbers some muslim photographers? > > > That would be > > > really interesting! > > > > > > Groeten, > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > (*) note: I put the woman's reaction as being defensive, > > > implying that I > > > was the one to be offensive, starting to take the picture. > > > That's just > > > fair for the sake of the discussion. > > > > > > -- > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > [email protected] > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
