The 5D isn't a pro body (It's based on the Elan 7N film body) and is 
under $3000 new (although not by much unless there's a sale on).

-Adam



Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Only the Canon pro cameras are full frame. None sell for less than 
> $3000.
> On Aug 8, 2006, at 1:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> 
> 
>>After Pentax killed the MZ-D/MR-52 in IIRC 2003 there were people on
>>this list who predicted that Pentax would never introduce a Digital SLR
>>that they would be film forever.  The *ist-D was announced, what within
>>a year, in peoples hands in less than 1 1/2 years.  Canon has managed 
>>to
>>bring the cost of a FF DSLR into the realm of mere mortals.  If Pentax
>>can get a FF sensor and build a camera for a price that they feel is
>>competitive they will build it.  Personally I think that Canon's
>>propaganda machine is good enough that FF 35mm format will remain the
>>holy grail of DSLR development, (not that they don't have a point).
>>Pentax will either have one within the next 3-4 years, (1.3 crop is
>>close enough for government work), be a name on a Samsung product, or 
>>be
>>out of the Camera business.  This is especially so if the 645D has
>>limited sales success.  If I'm right, (and I hope I am, not about the
>>645D but about the FF sensor), I'll send you a bottle of Tabasco.
>>
>>Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The *ist was a stopgap film camera. No one considered it a top of the
>>>line offering. I will eat this message if Pentax releases a 1.3 or
>>>full-frame camera.  It ain't gonna happen.
>>>Paul
>>>On Aug 7, 2006, at 9:57 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>It was sold as the new top of the line, and in most respects had, at
>>>>least for Pentax top of the line specifications.  The MZ-S was the
>>>>Flagship but was soon discontinued anyway.  The *ist effectively
>>>>replaced the MZ-S the MZ3/ZX5n MZ-6/ZX-L etc.  Don't forget the green
>>>>button Kludge on the *ist-D didn't come along until there was a
>>>>wave of
>>>>protest from Pentax's  user base in Japan, (and here, but Japanese
>>>>users
>>>>are what Pentax probably really cared about).  I have no doubt that
>>>>Pentax will change sensors as soon as it makes economic sense to do
>>>>so.
>>>>If a 1.3 crop or  full frame 35mm sensor is released next week with a
>>>>price/quality ratio that makes economic sense.  Don't doubt that 
>>>>those
>>>>DA lenses will be suddenly obsolete.
>>>>
>>>>Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The film *ist was a limited offering aimed at newbie amateurs. It
>>>>>was built for use with consumer zooms. It wasn't likely that many
>>>>>would want to use it with pre-A lenses.
>>>>>Paul
>>>>>On Aug 7, 2006, at 6:45 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>They've never screwed with their customers like that before.
>>>>>>Well not
>>>>>>until the introduction of the *ist Film and Digital introduction
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>is.  Try to meter with a pre-A lens on the film *ist and let me
>>>>>>know how
>>>>>>that works for ya.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Aaron Reynolds wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Aug 5, 2006, at 7:35 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just can't see it.  They've never screwed with the customer like
>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Plus, their pro commitment is still to medium format.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-Aaron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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