No reason to be sorry Jostein. And the same to the rest of the bunch. Probably I wasn't expressing myself as good enough.
Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11. april 2006 20:09 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder. > > Tim, > Sorry I misread your question in the first round. > > I think maybe I suffer from the same syndrome. > So far, I've only discovered the "I need more practice" solution... > > When you're out there, the process is to pick the right moment. > When you're back home, it's about making the most of the moments you > picked. > > Jostein > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Øsleby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:40 PM > Subject: RE: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder. > > > > When pushing the button in the filed it is a _moment_, when doing > > the same > > at home it is a _process_. > > This sums the problem up pretty well I think. > > > > It is a psychological thing. Anybody who knows a good shrink ;-) > > > > > > Tim > > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > > > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > > (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: 11. april 2006 17:23 > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder. > >> > >> I thought I actually provided an answer but maybe not at as plainly > >> as > >> this. > >> ;-) > >> > >> Crop exactly the same way post-capture as you would in the > >> viewfinder. > >> Exact > >> same principles. > >> > >> > >> Tom C. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >From: Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >Reply-To: [email protected] > >> >To: <[email protected]> > >> >Subject: RE: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder. Date: Tue, 11 > >> >Apr > >> 2006 > >> >13:39:05 +0200 > >> > > >> >List. You are not responding to my question, you are simply > >> >burping gas. > >> >Helicopter is out of the question ;-) > >> > > >> >My question was something like this. How do I become better at > >> >cropping > >> at > >> >computer? I tried to analyze the situation a bit, but the question > >> >was as > >> >simple as that. > >> > > >> > > >> >Tim > >> >Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > >> > > >> >Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > >> >(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > Sent: 10. april 2006 23:53 > >> > > To: [email protected] > >> > > Subject: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder. > >> > > > >> > > Those of you reading the list lately may have noticed that I > >> > > have a > >> > > project > >> > > going on, that forces me to explore some new land (read learn > >> > > new > >> > > techniques). > >> > > How a beeeep should you avoid noticing that? With my endless > >> > > ranting > >> > > questions ;-) > >> > > > >> > > I have been talking about using longer lenses, building hides > >> > > and so > >> on. > >> > > This has been great fun, and I am learning a lot about > >> > > photography and > >> > > birds. My longest glass that is usable is 500mm (with converter > >> > > it > >> tends > >> > > to > >> > > be too soft), so I have to crop the pictures to make them > >> > > interesting. > >> > > > >> > > This has made me realise that I am a lot better at composing in > >> >viewfinder > >> > > then I am with composing on computer screen. I have been > >> > > thinking > >> about > >> > > this. I have some ideas about why. > >> > > > >> > > First: > >> > > It is that in the field I compose more on instinct. I am there, > >> > > and I > >> >have > >> > > emotions about the motifs. My heart is involved, and I believe > >> > > that it > >> >is > >> > > my > >> > > heart that makes the composing decisions. Back at home, the > >> > > motifs are > >> > > more > >> > > distant to me, so there I compose by brain (and as you know, > >> > > that's > >> not > >> > > much > >> > > of a brain). > >> > > > >> > > The second reason has to do with the decisive moment: > >> > > When I shot slides my mind was in "capture mode" (sorry Shel, I > >> > > know > >> you > >> > > don't like that word). When pushing the button I knew that what > >> > > is in > >> > > frame, > >> > > stays in frame, and what is out of frame, stays out. (Everybody > >> > > who > >> has > >> > > tried masking slides in glassless frames, knows that you do > >> > > everything > >> >you > >> > > can to avoid that activity later). > >> > > > >> > > Now, when shooting digitally, being forced to crop later > >> > > something > >> >happens > >> > > with my mindset. There is no decisive moment in post processing > >> > > on > >> > > computer. > >> > > There is always possible to go back. > >> > > > >> > > What I'm saying is that I think I need the decisive moment to > >> > > make a > >> >good > >> > > composition. I also need to be emotionally connected with the > >> > > motif in > >> > > some > >> > > way. > >> > > > >> > > But what do I do about this? Practise is one obvious answer. > >> > > And I > >> will > >> > > practise. But, I also have a strong belief in the power and > >> > > wisdom of > >> >this > >> > > list. I would really surprise me if it doesn't burp up some > >> > > good ideas > >> >and > >> > > advise. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Tim > >> > > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > >> > > > >> > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > >> > > (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
