Just for the record, I think the Grifanti-stuff has caused us trouble once before. Some of us went as far as to try to trace the IP-address of the company's mailserver, iirc.

Jostein

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Who is the owner/moderator?


Doug,
Thanks for the response describing your diligent manor of list
monitoring. Fully appreciate your efforts. Even those I can only
imagine.
This happens to be the first series of such incidents in my 6-7 year
subscription. Maybe we have a lurker who has passed away, (Heaven
forbid).

Jack

--- Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jack Davis wrote:
> I thought such was the basis for being "unsubscribed".(?)
>
> Jack
>
> --- Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>It's not advertising spam, it's bounce messages -- every message >>I >>send to the list I get back from this one guy's mailserver, >>telling
>>me not to e-mail him anymore because his inbox is full.
>>
>>-Aaron
>>

It's an inexact science. I receive around a thousand bounce messages
a
day, along with quarantine notifications, out-of-office replies,
etc.,
all piled up to be 1500 or so...and like I told Bob, the grifante
stuff
didn't stand out as excessive.

Most days I give the bounce folder a cursury glance to see if
anything
jumps out at me. If it does, I consider unsubbing the account, or put
it
on the back burner to see if the situation is temporary.

If the bounces are coming from a regular on the list, I generally
assume
that person will notice the too-full mailbox and rectify. There are,
of
course, notable exceptions to this..(cough*marnie*cough)... and the
way
they figure out they are over quota is they get unsubbed.

If the bounces are coming from a lurker, I have a shorter leash. It's

probably unfair, but what the heck.

Now, if your mail server begins sending me messages that it cannot
deliver your email, and that it will continue trying to do so for
five
days, be prepared for your ears to begin burning, because I'll be
cursing. That's because, even if I go ahead and unsub your account,
your
mail server will still generate a bounce message every time it tries
to
deliver each message, multiple times over the next five days. This is
to
be avoided.

Some days, if I have a spare few minutes, I'll do some weeding. This
means I can take a deeper look at the bounce folder to get rid of
accounts that have too many bounces.

What's too many? I dunno. I used to have a hard ceiling, actually had
it
coded into the software, to bounce automatically, but I kept upping
the
ceiling in order to keep from having to answer all the "Why did I get

unsubbed?" messages I got, and to keep Mark Roberts on the list for
more
than five minutes at a time. I finally got rid of the ceiling
altogether
so I could decide on things case by case.

And that's where it stands now.






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