At the moment, I think that Pentax compacts (and all those using Pentax lenses: Benq, Casio, HP) and Pentax+Samsung DSLR's are fine.

The plain rule should be: "It must include something Pentax"

That can be just the name (like it happens with Pentax rebadged compacts made by Premier) or hardware (like in Casio compacts and Samsung DSLR's), or whatever.

Dario

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: *ist DL2


Dario, I agree.
But do you welcome all Samsung users?
Even the ones using a Samsung mobile phone, a Samsung made Rollei w.
Schneider lenses etc.

When the German camera industy got in trouble after WW2, many companies
chose to sell their good name, in order to get at least some money out
before closing down production.

Someone here recently said, that names are being "diluted".
Meaning old names are sold to new/other manufacturers:
Contax, Exakta, Rollei etc.

This development is, however, not the case with Pentax - not yet, anyway.
Pentax is selling their designs, thier know-how, their patents etc. But only
Pentax products are labeled Pentax - or at least only products approved by
Pentax are. So far Pentax still make cameras of their own.

BTW: Schneider Kreuznach is still a "live" (German) company, making or
designing lenses for camera manufacturers like Samsung, Rolleiflex (once
owned by Samsung) and others. Like Carl Zeiss make lenses for many other
companies like Hasselblad (Sweden) and Sony (Japan). Schneider now owns the
names (companies) B+W Filters, Pentacon and Praktica.

Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Dario Bonazza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 29. januar 2006 10:08
Til: [email protected]
Emne: Re: *ist DL2


Jens,

Please define a Pentax lens. Can a Pentax-rebadged Tamron be considered more Pentax than a genuine Pentax just rebadged as a Schneider-Kreuznach? I don't
think so.

It is evident that Pentax and Samsung SLR's are the same stuff, hence I
think we can just welcome Samsung users here, without any concern or endless
debate.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: *ist DL2


Butsh wrote:
Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of
these
Samsung "clones" to enter the monthly PUG?

Interesting Question, Butch.
When I do a shot with my *ist D, I may be using a Tokina, Sigma or Tamron
lens (if not a Pentax).
The image will be recorded on a sensor from SONY. The light haven't really
"touched" anything made by Pentax.
Still, I can post it a Pentax shot, right?

Well, according to the PUG rules either body or lens must be from Pentax:
"Submissions must have been made using Asahi/Pentax camera equipment.
Third
party equipment is welcome if it is Pentax compatible, and either the body
or lens is Asahi/Pentax".

So, if you put a Pentax lens on a Samsung body - or vise versa - it's OK
with the current PUG rules.

If new rules are to be applied, I'd suggest that only a Pentax lens can be
used for the PUG.
Regards


Jens Bladt
http://www.jensbladt.dk

-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 29. januar 2006 02:57
Til: [email protected]
Emne: Re: *ist DL2



Pentax *istDL2
Pentax has announced a minor upgrade to the *istDL - but only for users in
Asia and Canada. The *istDL2 offers a couple of extra focus points, a few
new scene modes and a couple of bits of silver plastic (where the DL was
all-black). Looking at the spec the DL2 appears to be the Pentax version
of
the Samsung GX-1S, announced earlier this month, and may be an indication
of
the intention to sell the future cameras as Pentax branded in some markets
and Samsung cameras in others (namely Europe and the US).


Time to play devil's advocate. If this is true will we allow users of
these
Samsung "clones" to enter the monthly PUG?

Butch








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