things have changed a lot. most of HP's laser printers are now made by Canon. i still have a HP 7475A pen plotter with a selection of pens in airtight pouches. it's been a few years since i have had it hooked up to do anything with. you can still get supplies for them too. Epson was the first to have really good photo printers and that was when i started doing digital photography. getting an Epson is a no-brainer. the Canon inks are just starting to be advertised to last 30 years under glass. that is what the Epson dye inks have been capable of for 4 or 5 years now. the pigment inks have always been better. the other companies have been able to match the look of an Epson for a year or so now, but not the longevity, nor the paper handling and paper selection.

Herb...
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Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: Why full frame?


Keith's experience is close to my own with an Epson Stylus 800. Very poor ink consumption, and when it got so clogged that I couldn't easily clean it I went out and bought an HP 1310 triple-function job for A$129 which beats the pants off it for colour and detail. When I first started in computing all my gear was HP, including an A4 pen plotter I could program, and I sometimes wish I could still get one of those (I know, they're probably still used in drafting offices and the like). HP then had the reputation of producing some of the best quality computers and peripherals you could buy: my own experience with them was first class.

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