For a decent 20mm, you could pick up a Carl Zeiss Jena 20/2.8 in M42
mount. I have a Sigma Widerama 18mm in YS mount (basically a T mount)
that would work as well. Though I got it in pieces, and I think I put
one of the lens elements in backwards. I've got some work to do...

Probably the best bet w/ wide glass on a Canon is to get something in
the Canon mount though. Even if it's a sigma/tokina/tamron/etc. I have
to wonder how some of the newer digital zooms (18-55, 16-45, etc.)
stack up when compared to the older wide glass. I'd be willing to bet
they'd be as good as some of those early wide-angles.

-Mat

On 5/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I haven't had much time for PDML or personal photography lately since I'm
> in school again as well as working full time.  Hopefully I did get a pic
> into the May PUG--I haven't checked yet.
> 
> If I did, folks will notice that I now have a Canon 20D.  As a digital
> sensor system, it's great.  As a camera, I hate it.  Some of it is just
> the way Canons work compared to the way everyone else works, but some of
> it is in my opionion just bad design.
> 
> But the acquisition of an expensive Canon doesn't mean I'm ditching
> Pentax.  On the contrary, I'm looking increasingly seriouly at a new or
> used *ist-D (not DS because I've got too many CF cards to consider SD!).
> The *ist-D is still as far as I know the only DSLR to allow AA use out of
> the box, and I wound up buying expensive battery grips to allow my 20D and
> D100 to use AA batteries.  Sure, AAs give no battery life, but they are
> and probably will continue to be readily availible.  I'm betting my
> $3500 Nikon D1H becomes a paperweight in about 5 years when Nikon is no longer
> required to sell the proprietary batteries.
> 
> For my personal uses, a DSLR has to allow AA battery use and accept M-42
> screw-mount lenses without an optical adapter (I've got almost all of the
> Super-Tak and SMC Tak lenses, and they're mighty good).  That rules out
> Nikon and leaves Canon and Pentax (and maybe Minolta and Sigma, which look
> much more like dodos than Nikon and Pentax to me).  I got the 20D because
> it was (and still is) far and away the most capable camera at its price point.
> Pentax isn't really competing for the "$1500" DSLR market.  They're
> probably right, as Canon and Nikon have both joined Pentax in aiming at
> the "$750-1000" DSLR market.
> 
> Neither 20D nor *istD works all that well with the old Takumar lenses, of
> course, because there's no mechanical communication.
> Ironically, my Nikons work BETTER, because they give me realistic focus
> assist and metering, but using an optical adapter to get infinity focus
> just kills the image quality.
> 
> I'll probably get my girlfriend one of the new Pentax 12-24s, too, once
> Nguyen gets a few put together.  I can sympathize with the "full frame
> DSLR" crowd because wide-angle options for DSLRs remain expensive, rare,
> and generally inferior (same could be said for FF DSLRs, though).
> 
> It's even worse in M-42 of course.  Pentax supposedly made fewer than
> 1000 15mm SMC Takumars, so the widest screw-mount I've been able to get my
> hands on is the mediocre 20/4.5 and a Tamron Adaptall 17mm with no A/M
> switch.  Pity Pentax didn't come out with the K18/3.5 in 1972!
> 
> DJE
> 
>

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