I understand peoples feelings about digital and pentax but I would argue that digital has not mastered B&W to my satisfaction. I develop and print my own B&W and putting digital on silver paper is no easy matter. Sure digital is easier to work with than color film but I think B&W is a art form that will be around for a while - and I like the affect that silver has to offer. I have seen color prints that were done by hand from friends and I don't think a color printer can match it. So, I would not be chucking your film gear into the dust bind quite yet. The digital revolution has just started . Lets see how Pentax fairs. Keep in mind that Pentax has been traditionally a very innovative company. Canon - and other lens makers - has just finally caught up with Pentax in lens quality. Pentax still makes some of the best optics on the market - and it is nice to see metal autofocus lenses.
Mike R. On Friday 29 April 2005 08:38 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Content-Type: text/plain > > pentax-discuss-d Digest Volume 05 : Issue 955 > > Today's Topics: > Mini-FAQ [ Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: > Why and How I switched to Canon [ John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: > Why and How I switched to Canon [ Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > Re: Why and How I switched to Canon [ "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:20:26 -0600 > From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > I'll agree with that Shel! You don't hangout with the same bunch for years > on end if you didn't find something to like. Sometimes we run each other > the wrong way but I'm here because 1) I learn alot and 2) it's fun. If > number 2 wasn't part of it, I'd go somewherelse for number 1. > > Tom C. > > >From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > >Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:49:11 -0700 > > > >A few people on the list asked Christian why he was making the switch. > > > >This is a pretty friendly list, people ask/answer questions about all > > sorts of topics. > > > >While the photographs are important, the camaraderie and friendship on the > >list may arguably be the most important attribute the list has to offer. > > > >Shel > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Date: 4/29/2005 5:18:36 PM > > > Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2005, at 8:05 AM, Christian wrote: > > > > First let me preface this with a few statements. .... > > > > > > Christian, > > > > > > What I'm wondering is why one would have to justify to the world a > > > decision to work with a different camera system. All this stuff is just > > > camera equipment, not a lifestyle choice or a matter of loyalty. Use > > > whatever works well for you, use something else when that seems to work > > > better. > > > > > > I still have my Canon 10D kit: it's an excellent camera and the lenses > > > I've got for it do a great job. It's a little heavier and bigger than I > > > like to carry all the time, that's why I bought the Pentax DS kit. If > > > and when I find my photography limited by the Pentax gear, I'll think > > > of whether I need something else. > > > > > > The photographs are the important part ... > > > > > > Godfrey > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:28:48 -0400 > From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > The 645D is 18 megapixel. AS medium format lenses go, the Pentax glass > is adequately fast. I know there's a 165/2.8 and a 105/2.4 on the 6x7 > side. I'm sure there are some equally fast lenses available in 645 > mount. > > On Apr 29, 2005, at 8:53 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > I'm not worried about Pentax releasing a new APS K mount DSLR, my > > referral to the MZ-D alludes to the fate of the 645D. No matter what > > P�l believes about the relative equality between Pentax 645 lenses, in > > cost and capabilities, and Canon L lenses. There is at least one > > important aspect where the 645 lenses fall short, speed. You don't > > see too many Pentax Medium format f2.8 zooms. or for that matter f2 > > or faster primes. That alone will put the the 11mp Pentax 645D at a > > competitive disadvantage with the Canon 16mp EOS based DSLR. Pentax > > will see the writing on the wall cut their losses and not ever release > > it. That's bad enough. > > > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> Pentax will have at least an APS upgrade when the time is right. > >> Don't forget, the big seller, the *istDS, has only been on the market > >> for a short time. You don't release an upgrade until a substantial > >> amount of your owner base is ready to move up. In the car biz, I > >> think they shoot for 40%. I think we'll see an APS camera by this > >> time next year. I'm also quite confident that it will be at least > >> 10mp, because you have to motivate the upgrade. > >> Paul > >> > >> On Apr 29, 2005, at 8:13 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > >>> Unfortunately, I think that the pessimists here are right, the most > >>> optimistic thing I see coming out of this > >>> is the next MZ-D... > >>> > >>> Rob Studdert wrote: > >>>> On 29 Apr 2005 at 18:57, Mark Roberts wrote: > >>>>> Sorry, but you lost me here. How have we seen that Pentax has no > >>>>> plans > >>>>> for full-frame? Why would the release of lenses covering the small > >>>>> frame > >>>>> be an indication of this when Canon has several reduced frame > >>>>> lenses? > >>>>> Does anyone really believe Pentax wouldn't be willing to obsolete > >>>>> those > >>>>> lenses (and have us replace them, of course) in the future? > >>>> > >>>> Pentax probably won't have any choice especially as they career off > >>>> in digital 645 land. I don't want to be pessimistic but it's > >>>> looking worse for them on every release from Canon and Nikon, only > >>>> a blinkered Pentax devotee could call it otherwise IMHO. > >>>> > >>>> Congrats Christian, it sounds like you are now much more content > >>>> with your kit, now you can just go out and enjoy shooting with a > >>>> future :-) > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Rob Studdert > >>>> HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA > >>>> Tel +61-2-9554-4110 > >>>> UTC(GMT) +10 Hours > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ > >>>> Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:36:33 -0600 > From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > >Pentax probably won't have any choice especially as they career off in > >digital > >645 land. I don't want to be pessimistic but it's looking worse for them > > on every release from Canon and Nikon, only a blinkered Pentax devotee > > could call > >it otherwise IMHO. > > I agree Rob. I know some love older glass, and the backwards compatibility > (which may be the strongest thing Pentax can claim to offer) and some love > the small size of Pentax gear... and for some that's enough to keep buying > Pentax. I love Pentax for those reasons and there's a certain > sentimentality about it. My first love, you know. > > But for anyone buying a DLSR for the first time and researching the market, > and thinking about a future... I don't see where Pentax could hold a > candle... It's only a short hop, skip, and jump for diehard Pentax users to > start wondering whether Pentax is the future when Canon for instance, > releases what, 6 - 8 DLSR's to Pentax's two. Not to mention the IS > capability, the FF option, and the knowledge that if I wanted to buy > something cutting edge I could. > > The only reason I haven't bought Canon yet is I've got a few other things > to do with my money. If and when Pentax releases another DSLR, it had > better be something extremely special. But somehow I can't see it being > anything other than middle of the road and 6 months to a 1 1/2 years behind > competitors products. > > Tom C. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:42:46 -0700 > From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Ok then. > > So the long explanation comes down to: > > "I switched because despite the fact that I was happy with my Pentax > camera and the new camera would be a significant financial burden, I > felt I'd be happier with the options that Canon offered me. I did my > best to transition to the new kit with as little additional out of > pocket expense as possible. I find I like the new camera." > > I can live with that. ;-) > > Enjoy it, Christian. The Canon EF300/4L IS is without a doubt one of > the best 300mm lenses I've ever used, and the 100/2.8 Macro has an > excellent reputation. I have the 100/2 and find it to be a very very > nice lens, with excellent sharpness and contrast as well as beautiful > rendering. > > Godfrey > > On Apr 29, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > A few people on the list asked Christian why he was making the switch. > > > > This is a pretty friendly list, people ask/answer questions about all > > sorts > > of topics. > > > > While the photographs are important, the camaraderie and friendship on > > the > > list may arguably be the most important attribute the list has to > > offer. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:44:11 +1000 > From: "Peter Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: OT: New Toy > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Quoting Collin R Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I'll part with the 12" Ilex. > > > > From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > What's a 12" Ilex? > > A tiny deer? No, sorry that is an Ibex ;-) > http://www.americazoo.com/goto/index/mammals/421.htm > > A big lens? Seems more likely. > http://www.mwclassic.com/acatalog/32329L.jpg > http://arguscg.tripod.com/id50.html > > -- > Peter Williams > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:55:40 -0400 > From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > the camera market is nothing like the car market in how fast it moves, > especially in price erosion. also, like it or not, there are clear specs > that get noticeably better with every generation. cars improve in barely > noticeable ways between generations. until DSLRs do that too, which won't > be for a couple of years yet, even a few months is enough to turn a camera > that makes money into one that doesn't even when it is continuing to sell, > because the price has to drop rapidly to stay competitive. > > the entry level cameras are almost loss leaders in the DSLR market. if the > yen appreciates too much or price erosion happens just a tiny bit faster > than Pentax assumes (which most financial analysts think is too > optimistic), the *istD will lose money on every sale. to make money, like > Canon does, in the DSLR market, you have to sell a high enough end camera > that doesn't suffer from price erosion. the 1Ds sold at the same price from > initial availability right up until the 1Ds Mk2 started shipping. that is > what a higher end camera gets Pentax. > > Herb... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > > > Pentax will have at least an APS upgrade when the time is right. Don't > > forget, the big seller, the *istDS, has only been on the market for a > > short time. You don't release an upgrade until a substantial amount of > > your owner base is ready to move up. In the car biz, I think they shoot > > for 40%. I think we'll see an APS camera by this time next year. I'm also > > quite confident that it will be at least 10mp, because you have to > > motivate the upgrade. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:10:13 +1000 > From: "Peter Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: OT - Film CAMERAS are dead. > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: P. J. Alling > > > > Kids born 10-15 years ago will re-discover film > > and they'll use glorified point and shoots like > > the Canon Rebel, or all mechanical machines like the K1000. > > Bought my 14 year old son a Canon AE1 for Christmas > to use in his school photography classes. He also > has a Canon A75 digital P&S. He uses both intelligently. > > -- > Peter Williams > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:24:20 +1000 > From: "Peter Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Markus Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > keep us informed and show some > > photos with your new equipment too. > > And try not to make us jealous with all that plasticity ;-) > > -- > Peter Williams > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 02:32:56 +0000 > From: "Ramesh Kumar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > I will be changing to Canon once they come with something more than 20D at > affordable price. > > Pixel count. > I used to get 5300x3400 pixels from 35mm scans and never worried about > printing on 13x19' paper. I do not have that luxury with *istD, and miss > it. To reach "35mm pixel freedom..:-)", I may have to do few upgrades. > Since Canon is slightly cheaper, upgrades are affordale. For an hobbiest > like me, price is important. > > Accessories... > Recently while searching for L-bracket, I found its easier to find an > accessory for Canon than Pentax. > I agree there will be workarounds for this... > > Another reason is Canon's IS lenses. > > > Thanks > Ramesh > > >From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: <[email protected]> > >Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > >Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:26:04 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from host24.websitesource.com ([209.239.33.40]) by > >mc1-f36.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 29 Apr 2005 > >16:24:58 -0700 > >Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by host24.websitesource.com > >(8.12.10/8.12.10) id j3TNOubq016298;Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:24:56 -0400 > >X-Message-Info: LGjzam7y+Ltn0BiZA3VQhTe2R/SzTxdlQkQe3r9kSUo= > >Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:24:14 -0400 > >X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f > >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 > >Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Resent-From: [email protected] > >X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/162938 > >X-Loop: [email protected] > >Precedence: list > >Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2005 23:24:58.0571 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[A8BE21B0:01C54D12] > > > >this is the most important reason for me. Canon promised that there will > > be three DSLR announcements this year. we have seen one definite, the > > Rebel XT, and one possible, the 20Da, but i discount that one. there is > > at the very least, one more to go. Pentax chose to spend time and money > > on the 645D. i think that is going to be about as effective as Leica's > > development of the Digital R back. the medium format market, digital or > > film, is a fringe market compared to the 35mm-type market. i don't think > > that the 645D is going to extend the life of the medium format one iota > > and it will greatly reduce Pentax's chances to stay in the smaller format > > DSLR market. the *istDs will be non-competitive by the end of this year > > unless they sell it for about $600. guess how much money they will make > > on it then. > > > >Herb... > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:05 AM > >Subject: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > > > >>Sixth: The "upgrade path." What is Pentax's future as a k-mount DSLR > >>manufacturer? We really don't know, but as stated above, we can be > >> pretty sure that there will not be a camera with a k-mount and a 24x36mm > >> sensor. With Canon, the future is pretty clear. DSLR bodies are being > >> developed along three major lines: Consumer, Prosumer, and professional > >> with new or improved bodies coming out at a very agggresive rate. The > >> upgrade path is clear and available. If I choose I can upgrade to a > >> full-frame sensor in the future. Pentax was just not offering me enough > >> of a future. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:30:36 +1000 > From: "Peter Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: OT - Film CAMERAS are dead. > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Depends on the type of pickup in use. > A typical magnetic pickup will need pre-amplification > of the usual 1-5 mV up to line levels 150mV, but also > requires the special RIAA equalisation to compensate > for the HF bias introduced during cutting the record. > > -- > Peter Williams > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carlos Royo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > P. J. Alling escribi�: > > > Should be a relatively simple matter of taking the output from the > > > turntable to and patching it to the aux. input on a sound card. > > > > You need a phono pre-amp, or a sound card that has one. A > > few of them have an external phono pre-amp. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:34:23 +1000 > From: Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Pentax Discuss <[email protected]> > Subject: GESO: Grasshopper > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > It's a pretty day today, but I'm a bit hung over, so I think I'll have a > quiet one. Took some pics of a flower picked from the garden. Found it > had a surprise passenger. > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/Grasshopper/01.htm > > *istDS, SMC-M 200mm on an auto-bellows K. > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:37:37 -0400 > From: "Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:49 PM > Subject: Re: Why and How I switched to Canon (for those who care) long > > > A few people on the list asked Christian why he was making the switch. > > > > This is a pretty friendly list, people ask/answer questions about all > > sorts > > > of topics. > > > > While the photographs are important, the camaraderie and friendship on > > the list may arguably be the most important attribute the list has to > > offer. > > > > Shel > > Thanks, Shel, for answering that for me. :-) It is the camaraderie and > friendship that keeps me reading this list. Tom asked me to give the whys > of switching and I was more than happy to answer as you wrote. > > Christian > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:43:51 -0400 > From: Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: PDML Mini-FAQ > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > My wife calls it out-of-focus. As in, "Why are the photos YOU took > out-of-focus?" I like "blur". Good call, Frank. > > On 4/29/05, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 4/28/05, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > LOL! Well said! Except that part about the fuzzy photos. That's > > > just a little too far over the line. Whaddya think this is, a > > > photography list? > > > > Those nature photogs just don't understand the creative use of blur (I > > like blur better than "fuzzy" don't you?). > > > > cheers, > > frank > > > > -- > > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
