ERNR
I think Collin brought up the subject by claiming that free software was Marxist.
I don't know what the context was because he has a habit of creating new subject lines, and not quoting the previous discussion.
John
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:39:11 +0100, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Quoting Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Collin,
May I humbly suggest that you pour out your "rational and reasoned concern" about GPL software propagating marxist ideas somewhere else? Dragging your religious views into it isn't exactly going to help your case either.
This hardly looks fair, Jostein. Wasn't Collin commenting on other people's
posts, both about Marxism and Christianity?
I think he's as entitled to express his opinions on those subjects as anyone
else, as long as he's being polite about it, which he was.
ERNR
----- Original Message ----- From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.
>> Quoting Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> > >> > Quoting Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > >> > > American Marxist phobia is actually more a thing of the fifties >> > > and >> > > sixties. It's really quite dead. However, there are little >> > > pockets of >> > > folks with rather extreme views who keep it alive in bits and >> > > pieces, >> > > here and there. That's probably true of any system of beliefs >> > > anywhere >> > > in the world. >> > >> > Sadly, yes. I'd even opt for leaving out the "probably". :-( >> > >> > What puzzles me in this particular case is just the anachronistic >> > nature of >> > the >> > phobia... :-) >> > > Obfuscating the discussion by talking about "free beer" only avoids > the issue. > > The revolutionary era of the 60s stood out because of the violence. > Maybe more recently people have heard of the Shining Path & Castro. > > Not long ago I went to the reasonably prestigous Ohio State > University here in Columbus looking to enroll in the EE program. > WRT the program, it's impressive. > > But in the broader curriculum was a required course. It was a > course in dialectics. And on the shelf of the counselor I talked to > was her notebook distinctly labelled "MARX". Unlikely it concerned > old toys or movies. > > Marxism is a philosophy. Communism is a form of government derived > from it. So is National Socialism. And western Socialism. All are > "Marxist" by definition, in one component or another. Whether it's > redistribution of wealth, egalitarianism, the "green" movement, the > "peace" movement, whatever mechanism is its expression, the > philosophy is the dominant perspective in most if not all > governmental educational systems. > > When John Kerry would, in the last presidential campaign, speak of > our government as a "democracy" and Bush would use the term > "republic", the divergence of their world views was clarified. > > /* THE POINT */ > To deny its existence because of a form adaptation is to miss the > reality of its influence. It is endemic enough to be missed as it > doesn't stand out as distinct. It is now dominant. > /* THE POINT */ > > For those wanting to understand it in its simplicity, the clearest > expression of a Marxist philosophy in pop culture would be John > Lennon's "Imagine". > > As far as Christianity is involved, "The Challenge of Marxism" by > Klaus Bockmuehl would be a good read. Published by Intervarsity > Press. > > There is no phobia here. No irrational fear that they're going to > invade my house and take all of my possessions. It's a rational and > reasoned concern. > > Collin (subvert the dominant marxist) Brendemuehl > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net > > > > >
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