On 15 Dec 2004 at 12:58, Frantisek wrote: > Hi Rob, you understand Japanese then? Or is there an english version > of it? I also looked it up after seeing the sample images, but sadly, > only my father learned Japanese and it's been a long time since he did > use it.
I wish I knew Japanese, I just installed it and experimented until I worked out the functions, it's relatively straight forward. 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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:02:06 +0000 To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2004 23:02:38.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C2CC750:01C4E2FA] X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.0750) GT3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 On 15 Dec 2004, at 21:06, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote: > robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> the passivity is a symptom of commons logging being too big, too >> complex and too tightly coupled to the needs of applications run in >> containers and yet not sophisticated enough. IMO the commons logging >> API could and should be reduced to one interface and one public class >> each with no dependencies on anything about java 1.0. > > IMHO the dependency on "java 1.0" and... > >> everything else, all the sophisticated configuration can be achieved >> by >> byte-code engineering: doping the appropriate jars so that the calls >> are wired correctly. there is certainly an amount of resistance to >> byte >> code engineering from some quarters but after a long hard slog, i >> really think that this is the only way that the initial aims of the >> component can be achieved. > > ...byte-code engineering contradict each other. One of the really, > really strong things of c-l is, that it needs no additional jars. Just > drop commons-logging in, develop your app, deploy with the app, > commons-logging and a logger implementation, off you go. > > I'd very much like to keep that, which means that any bytecode > manipulation code should be part of the commons-logging jar. I'd like > to avoid getting dependent on things like BCEL. the beauty of this approach is that the actual API jar would ship only with a minimal, run anywhere implementation hard wired to system.err. code compiled against this API jar would have minimal dependencies. the byte code engineering would be used to rewire a jar using commons logging to use a particular discovery system but would ship as separate artifacts. (the minimal java dependency stuff was really aimed at allowing those who want to use commons-logging in library-restricted environments to do it) - robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From jeff Wed Dec 15 23:42:12 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 15:42:12 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:12 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx126.postini.com ([64.18.0.40] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ceima-0006cL-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:12 -0800 Received: from source ([146.82.138.6]) by exprod5mx126.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:44:54 CST Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with QMQP id 683112E8FB; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:44:50 -0600 (CST) Old-Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131]) by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9BA2E5D2 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:44:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from r220-1 (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:42:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.rwth-aachen.de ([134.130.3.1]) by r220-1 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:42:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from robins (robins.karman5.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.104.75]) by relay.rwth-aachen.de (8.13.0/8.13.0/1) with ESMTP id iBFNgLpR027113 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:42:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from rob by robins with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ceimi-0005WT-00 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:42:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:42:20 +0100 From: Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Debian-Paket Shell-Skript-Sammlung? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Rc-Virus: 2004-10-30_01 X-Rc-Spam: 2004-08-29_01 Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/116331 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: <debian-user-german.lists.debian.org> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/> Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:44:50 -0600 (CST) X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.0150) gt3 GT2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] Resent-Bcc: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=2.64 Salve! AFAIK gibt es kein Paket mit einer sortierten bunten Mischung mit (ba)sh/shell Skripten. Wie w=E4re es, wenn man per Wiki zu verschieden Kategorien Skripte mit Kurzinfo/Beschreibung (Skripte sollten aber auch selbsterkl=E4rend sein) und m=F6glichen Diskussion zu sammeln und von Zeit zu Zeit in ein .deb Paket zu packen? Was w=FCrdet ihr von einer solchen Idee halten? Beispiel, ich habe mit einem Freund ein kleines Skript gebastelt, das auf meiner Webseite ganz unbekannt liegen w=FCrde - f=FCr so etwas spezielles w=FCrde sich keiner einen Wolf-suchen, sondern wenn eher selber etwas =E4hnliches schreiben. Wenn es aber in der Kategorie Reise/Bahn/Fahrplan eines solcher Sammlung liegen w=FCrde, w=E4re es f=FCr Debianer schnell gefunden (=E4hnlich wie per apt-cache script-cache). --- #!/bin/sh # bahn # Request next departures from the given train station. # The information will be fetched from the wap server of=20 # the German "Deutsche Bahn AG" (www.bahn.de) # This server also accept short names for stations # e.g. ac for Aachen, k for cologne. # # This script was written on 27.03.2004=20 # by Anders Berg & [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # It was written as tool for using the shell on the road # via GPRS with the J2ME SSH(1)-client FloydSSH: # http://freshmeat.net/projects/floydssh/ # But of course it could be usefull without GPRS ;) # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License # (GPL) Version 2 from June 1991 - see # http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html # # Please give feedback when you have modify it for another # country or another script for use "on the road". if test -z "$1" then echo "Usage: $0 station_name (with spaces)" exit fi # take all arguments, join with + (url rewriting) station_name=3D$( echo $@ | tr ' ' + ) # construct url with station name as one parameter # &boardType=3Ddep | arr #search departure or arrival # &time=3D05:52%2B1 | &time=3Dactual # am pm??? # &productsFilter=3D11111 | &productsFilter=3D1111100000000000 #type of tra= nsportation see EOF # &dateBegin=3D=20 # &dateEnd=3D # &maxJourneys=3D10 | 5 | 20 # max unknown (yet) # &mode=3Dactual =20 # &start=3Dyes url=3D"http://wap.bahn.de/bin/mobil/bhftafel.exe/dnx?input=3D"$station_name= "&time=3Dactual&boardType=3Ddep&maxJourneys=3D10&productsFilter=3D111110000= 0000000&start=3DSuchen" lynx -dump $url | grep -Ev 'http|DB|Verweise|\[.*\]' | #sed 's/ //g' | more # because of small screens of mobile devices # productsFilter description: #<option value=3D"1111100000000000" >Nur Bahn</option> #<option value=3D"1111111111000000" >Alle</option> #<option value=3D"1000000000000000" >ICE</option> #<option value=3D"0100000000000000" >IC/EC</option> #<option value=3D"0010000000000000" >IR/D</option> #<option value=3D"0001000000000000" >RE/RB</option> #<option value=3D"0000100000000000" >S-Bahn</option> #<option value=3D"0000010000000000" >Busse</option> #<option value=3D"0000001000000000" >Schiff</option> #<option value=3D"0000000100000000" >U-Bahn</option> #<option value=3D"0000000010000000" >Straßenbahn</option> #<option value=3D"0000000001000000" >AST</option> #EOF --- Nat=FCrlich k=F6nnte man auch hierzu eine GUI schreiben und ein eigenes Paket bauen...(Nicht ernst gemeint) aber vieles l=E4=DFt sich IMHO flexibler und transparenter als Skript l=F6sen. Ergo f=E4nde ich eine Sammlung als .deb sehr praktisch. (Oder liege ich jetzt sehr falsch und es gibt soetwas zumindest =E4hnliches bereits? Gibt es f=FCr apt-cache eine Option -no-x die einen X-Server vorraussetzen nicht anzuzeigen? *g* Gru=DF rob PS: Was ist aus der Idee geworden die deutsche Debian Dokumentation zu verb= essern und=20 (per Wiki) =DCbersetzungen und neue man/info/howtos zu erstellen/sammeln? From jeff Wed Dec 15 23:42:14 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 15:42:14 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:14 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.0.33] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ceimc-0006cr-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:14 -0800 Received: from source ([209.239.33.40]) by exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:40:59 PST Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by host24.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id iBFLGl3F024896 for [email protected]; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:16:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:14:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 22:14:30 +0100 From: Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SV: The film is dead References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/135012 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > You are quite possibly correct. The technology is changing rapidly, > however, and within two years digital photography will be able to more > things and do them better than today, Quite likely, but the digital sensors havent *really* changed a lot lately, have they? The CCD technology is some 30 years old... > while film technology will not advance much, if at all. "In the > foreseeable future," therefore, 35mm film production and sales will > become a small niche, like that for 8inx10in sheet film is today. > > jayers wrote: > >> Film has enough unique differences from digital that I don't think >> digital will completely replace film in the foreseeable future >> >> > From jeff Wed Dec 15 23:42:13 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 15:42:13 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:13 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.0.33] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ceima-0006ci-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:13 -0800 Received: from source ([209.239.33.40]) by exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:40:59 PST Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by host24.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id iBFLu1k5011333 for [email protected]; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:56:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:54:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Digital Image Studio To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:54:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: The film is dead Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/135018 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:92.64198/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 On 13 Dec 2004 at 22:36, William Robb wrote: > To the point it isn't even on their radar, so to speak. > To me, it doen't matter all that much if the capture is 16 bit if the > final output is 8 bit. More than 8 bits isn't really of consequence if you never expect to do any post capture manipulation before printing, you are basically trusting the cameras internal processing to get it good enough. But if you intend to do any image processing working a 16 bit image even with the most basic processing tools will provide a superior final 8 bit file for print. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 From jeff Wed Dec 15 23:42:16 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 15:42:16 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:16 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx88.postini.com ([64.18.0.76] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ceimd-0006bo-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:15 -0800 Received: from source ([64.118.64.245]) by exprod5mx88.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:44:50 PST Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id 8C9D92279940D24D88ED17B5F72FD1AB Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:46:25 -0500 Subject: Re: BUT what does it &@#$%^ DO????? From: Spike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:44:30 -0800 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:86.0514 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Adam Churvis wrote: > Spike, > > Thanks for your input. I'd like to address your issues. > > >>There is quite a lot of configuration work up front to set up a project >> and ensure that Plum knows all about the ColdFusion, Web server and >>Database. > > > Any application will eventually need all this information. Plum just > collects it all up front. Agreed, This isn't an issue. It was an observation since a lot of people didn't seem to know what it does or how it does it. > > >>Once you've got your project set up Plum uses these to allow >>you to perform configuration tasks without leaving the IDE and to >>generate code for task like CRUD operations on a single table, and >>searching, again on a single table. > > > Plum search forms can search on parent tables, too. > ok, I must have missed something there. Is there a strict limit to which tables can or can not be searched, or can you select 3 or 4 tables and tell the search form to search all of them. I don't think there's a huge use case for that particular example btw, it's more curiosity about how you can use Plum to build searches and forms. > >>The major downfall I can see is that there doesn't appear to be *any* >>way to actually edit the text of a file directly. You have to use an >>external text editor of some kind to to that. > > > This was intended from the beginning. Plum is a tool to add to your > toolbox, not replace your toolbox. To try and recreate HomeSite inside Plum > would not have been realistic for us. > Yep, I can appreciate that, but I still find it a little odd that there's nothing in there at all. > >>Also, once you start modifying the generated code you can't easily merge >>your modified code with code that Plum generates in the future. You can >>either choose to overwrite an existing file or leave it alone. I guess >>that means that PLUM is designed primarily for generating stub code that >>you then modify and don't use Plum to manage in the future. > > > Once you've gone as far as you like in the Plum IDE for a page, you > right-click the page node and choose "Lock This Page", which prevents that > page from being overwritten by future generations. ok, that makes sense. > > Plum was never intended to be a round-tripping tool; it was intended to > generate all or most of the code you need for a page, then its job is done > and the rest (if anything) is up to the developer. > Thanks for clarifying that. > >>It's certainly a promising product and I can see why it would be useful >>to a lot of people, but there are a few areas where I think it's missing >>key features. Appologies to the developers if any of these are already >>in there. I looked but I couldn't find them. >> >>They are in no particular order: >> >>Integrated text based editor that supports the same sort of stuff CF >>developers have become used to - tag insight etc. >>Integrated SQL editor to support searching and other SQL operations on >>more than 1 table. >>Round-trip code management and merging. >>Customization of the CFML code generation to suit individual coding > > styles. > > We've never intended to include any of these features in Plum. That's not > the application space we're occupying. ok > > >>Support for frameworks other than the Plum framework. > > > The Plum IDE is tightly coupled to the Plum Framework, and wouldn't have any > utility with any other frameworks. The Plum IDE is not a traditional IDE, > but an IDE for Plum application development. > It sounds more like a project management and configuration tool than an IDE, but I've only looked at it briefly, so I really can't make any sort of solid assertions either way on that. It's just the feeling I got. > >>Support for a less page-centric application model. > > > Could you clarify this a bit? Yep, The in the app that got auto-generated when I created my project quite a lot of files were generated in the webroot. I tend to write apps that are structured more like a Mach-ii app. Quite a few CFC methods will be called on any given reqest and they will not necessarily be the same methods for every request. Some may require pre-processing to check for data validation; some may require a remote lookup of some kind; some may need to perform security checks of one kind or another; and some may need to do post-processing once data has been returned from a database. Each of those method calls is an integral part of the request for a given page, but they could each easily be added to any existing page. In other words, I tend to use an n-tier development approach and specify the functionality that should be called and in what order for any given page request. If I'm using Mach-ii that will be specified in the mach-ii.xml file. If I'm not, it will be specified somewhere in the controller layer (I tend to use an MVC approach whether I'm using mach-ii or not). I also tend to use quite a few "form generators" in some types of apps. That is, code that will generate forms and client side validation automatically for a given class of CFC. Right now there doesn't seem to be any way to do that sort of thing in Plum. All you can do is add view centric functionality (that's actually what I meant rather than page centric) like search forms and tell it which action page to post to. You can certainly add a lot of the stuff I mentioned above to the action page, but it would be much nicer if you could do more of it from the Plum itself. > > Spike, I really appreciate your feedback, and I hope you continue to look > into Plum and let us know what you like and what you don't like. If you go > through the tutorials provided with the product, they will show you quite a > lot of what Plum can do to really improve your daily development effort. I'll continue to keep track of Plum and play with it from time to time, but the code it generates right now is not remotely like the code I would write, so I'll be using it more for evaluation purposes to keep myself up to speed on what the rest of the world is doing rather than as part of my daily development effort. That of course is subject to change as the feature set changes. > > Respectfully, > > Adam Phillip Churvis > Member of Team Macromedia > http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com > > Download Plum and other cool development tools, > and get advanced intensive Master-level training: > > * C# & ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers > * ColdFusion MX Master Class > * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187826 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Wed Dec 15 23:42:19 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 15:42:19 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:19 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.0.33] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ceimg-0006dG-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:18 -0800 Received: from source ([209.239.33.40]) by exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:40:59 PST Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by host24.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id iBFM6HVW028116 for [email protected]; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:06:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:05:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f From: Luigi de Guzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Urgent: *stD/DS and vivitar 283 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:57:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/135019 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.64 On Wednesday 15 December 2004 15:59, Mat Maessen wrote: > If it's a truly late model 283, the trigger voltage should be plenty > low enough for any camera out there. > It's hard to describe the differences between the early and late > versions of the 283, but the case will look a bit more "plasticy" on > the later versions. > There are three distinct generations of 283: > > 1st gen. High sync voltage, no audible power-save on the charging > circuitry. 2nd gen. High sync voltage. Audible power save (the "whine" of > the flash will cut in and out after the flash is charged for about 15-30 > seconds or so. Will also blink the charge indicator) > 3rd gen. Low sync voltage. No audible power save (I think they > redesigned the circuitry for that part of the flash) > > -Mat Arse. having powered up and tested my flash, It would appear to be of the second generation, and thus potentially fatal. However, I have used it on a ZX-M, and not fried anything. H'mm. Looks like available-darkness only tonight, then. -Luigi From jeff Wed Dec 15 23:42:12 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 15:42:12 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:12 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.0.33] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeimZ-0006c9-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:11 -0800 Received: from source ([209.239.33.40]) by exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:40:59 PST Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by host24.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id iBFM9Ser004572 for [email protected]; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:09:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:08:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Digital Image Studio To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:08:01 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SV: The film is dead Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/135021 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:93.13911/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 On 15 Dec 2004 at 22:14, Toralf Lund wrote: > Quite likely, but the digital sensors havent *really* changed a lot > lately, have they? > > The CCD technology is some 30 years old... LOL, that's like saying transistorized products haven't changed a great deal since the point contact transistors invention in 1947. The concept and principle of operation is still the same but the technology and implementation is vastly different. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 From jeff Wed Dec 15 23:42:16 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 15:42:16 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:16 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.0.33] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ceime-0006d0-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:16 -0800 Received: from source ([209.239.33.40]) by exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:40:59 PST Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by host24.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id iBFLoa5P000695 for [email protected]; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:50:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:49:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Digital Image Studio To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 08:49:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Enabled Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> from "Jens Bladt" at Dec 15, 2004 05:07:51 PM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/135016 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 On 15 Dec 2004 at 12:36, John Francis wrote: > I carry a special tool (basically a pair of oversized tweezers > with a small lip at the end of the blades); other folks have > added little extraction handles to their CF cards using some > variety of adhesive tape. I'd be very cautious trying that > with a MicroDrive; they're already thicker than a regular CF II > card, and you don't want to end up with something that will be > too thick for the available space. Make sure you use a thin > tape if you try that, and check the corners regularly every > time you go to re-insert it. Mine sure wedges in there too. I tend to pull mine out by catching the screw heads in the corners with my nail, it's PITA and a delicate manoeuvre. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 From jeff Wed Dec 15 23:42:22 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 15:42:22 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:22 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.0.33] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ceimk-0006da-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:22 -0800 Received: from source ([209.239.33.40]) by exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:40:59 PST Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by host24.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id iBFM9AU4003753 for [email protected]; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:09:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:07:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:07:50 +0100 From: Toralf Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SV: Reasonable price for an LX? And K2? References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/135020 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Joakim Johansson wrote: >I'm going to by a Pentax MX tomorrow, and the seller also has a K2 in used >(but quite good) shape. He wants 1400 SEK ($204.15) for the camera. > > Does this mean that the K2 was a high-end model? Hmmm, since it apparently has features like DOF preview and mirror-lock-up, I guess it must have been. I mean, the price seems somewhat high compared to the 450 NOK I paid for my ME Super - including an M50 and an A70-210, but I guess that was a rather good deal. I've also seen MXes being sold for quite a bit less than 1400 SEK, though. >/Joakim > > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Fr�n: Toralf Lund [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Skickat: den 15 december 2004 21:00 >Till: pdml >�mne: Reasonable price for an LX? And K2? > >What would you guys pay for an LX these days? How about a K2? > >A guy here in Oslo (same person who sold me the M40, actually) has had >both for sale for a while, and I'm a bit tempted... > >- Toralf > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 2004-10-15 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 2004-10-15 > > > > > From jeff Wed Dec 15 23:42:21 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Wed Dec 15 15:42:21 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:21 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.0.33] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ceimj-0006dR-00 for <[email protected]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:42:21 -0800 Received: from source ([209.239.33.40]) by exprod5mx119.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:40:59 PST Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by host24.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id iBFMAAek006001 for [email protected]; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:10:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:08:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: SV: Memory Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:09:01 +0100 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/135022 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Collin R Brendemuehl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 13. december 2004 23:21 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: FS: Memory I decided to buy out WalMart. (Feels pretty of good, really.) Anyway, here's the list: 1. Lexar 32 meg digital film CF cards NEW, never opened, qty 8 available. $10 each SHIPPED (us) 2. Lexar 32 meg digital film CF cards Opened, qty 1 available. $8 each SHIPPED (us) 3. Kodak 64 meg digital film CF cards NEW, never opened, qty 4 available. $13 each SHIPPED (us) 4. Kodak 64 meg digital film CF cards Opened, qty 1 available. $9 each SHIPPED (us) 5. Lexar 32 meg Digital Film/SD cards NEW, never opened, qty 19 available. $10 each SHIPPED (us) 6. Lexar 32 meg Digital Film/SD cards Opened, qty 1 available. $8 each SHIPPED (us) PayPal. Collin "You impress at a distance, but you impact a life up close. The closer the relationship the greater the impact." Howard Hendricks
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