John, ......whatever you've just taken,...... do you have any more, ......will you share?? ;-)
Don > -----Original Message----- > From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 5:18 PM > To: Pentax List > Subject: OT: Ode to modern cameras (and over-used photographic terms) > > > > Well . . . . > > > You zoom right in, you zoom right out > You zoom right in and you shake it all about. > The camera won't focus and the battery gives out > And you begin to scream and shout. > > Oooh, the hokey bokeh! Oooh, the hokey bokeh! > You see the hokey bokeh and you have no doubt; > That's what it's all about! > From jeff Wed Dec 15 00:29:15 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 16:29:15 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:15 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx30.postini.com ([64.18.0.185] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeN2Z-0004LE-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:15 -0800 Received: from source ([212.16.7.65]) by exprod5mx30.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:31:54 CST Received: (qmail 7726 invoked by uid 501); 15 Dec 2004 00:31:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> list-post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 7697 invoked by uid 85); 15 Dec 2004 00:31:27 -0000 Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by thebsh.namesys.com by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.15 (spamassassin: 2.43-cvs. Clear:SA:0(0.0/2.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60):. Processed in 0.449868 secs); 15 Dec 2004 00:31:27 -0000 Received: from main.gmane.org (80.91.229.2) by thebsh.namesys.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2004 00:31:26 -0000 Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeN4g-0002kV-00 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:31:26 +0100 Received: from mail.trillke.de ([213.146.112.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:31:25 +0100 Received: from klaus by mail.trillke.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:31:25 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Klaus Thorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Status of quota support for reiserfs on 2.6.x kernels Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 28 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 213.146.112.72 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-AT; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113) Sender: news <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Spam-DCC: : X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Christian Mayrhuber <christian.mayrhuber <at> gmx.net> writes: > Quotas are in kernel 2.6 and supported by ext2,ext3,reiserfs,xfs. > Reiserfs doesn't need an extra patch for quotas, data journalling > or extended attributes. Everything is right there for > kernels > 2.6.5 if I remember right. I tried to use quota with 2.6.7 and got two serious problems: 1. soft quotas were treated like hard quotas (grace time 8 days but behaved like 0 days) 2. after a few days no access to the file system was possible, fs-options usrquota and grpquota were doubled when listed by the mount command. (all 14 clients, samba and nfs paralyzed, a whole radio station silent, yes I had better days) After reboot the problem was gone but I turned quota off. so imho quota with reiserfs is experimental and buggy > I guess it would be wise to wait with the migration till these patches > make it into some official 2.6 kernel release. damn. I can't switch to ext3 since my filesystem is too big to be copied somewhere else. I'm stuck and need quota with reiserfs and linux 2.6. What can I do? From jeff Wed Dec 15 00:29:20 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 16:29:20 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:20 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx116.postini.com ([64.18.0.88] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeN2d-0004LP-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:19 -0800 Received: from source ([209.239.33.40]) by exprod5mx116.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:31:22 HST Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by host24.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id iBENtwb8008401 for [email protected]; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:55:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:53:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=uJdk7Xl6Cq8NlRLzZeafOlMbC5IgHMXNawLZtZUno2b6Shp0fAZlCDWUqrv5jJOmGoDba7s3Z9prjcaYLzAb4xxqDAyB5aUqaS9fQTlHIr4qUxK5jY/BVacyUoTULV/rTvilZYsNQ8QkIKTawj/6QehkxibER+m0tpvRHPcfMOg= Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:53:53 -0500 From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: In the Art Gallery, Too In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/134828 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:75.05188/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:27:02 -0700, Joseph Tainter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Henry Moore? > Yes, Henry Moore indeed. Bob's first, but I doubt he'll be at GFM, so he doesn't win a beer. Ann, are you going to be there? I'll happily give you a coffee as your prize. Joe? You'll get a beer from me (actually, I'll just steal a glass of Bill's homebrew, and pass it off as mine <vbg>) if you go in 2005... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson From jeff Wed Dec 15 00:29:22 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 16:29:22 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:22 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx116.postini.com ([64.18.0.88] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeN2g-0004LY-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:22 -0800 Received: from source ([209.239.33.40]) by exprod5mx116.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:31:22 HST Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by host24.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id iBENGp44010664 for [email protected]; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:16:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:15:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Digital Image Studio To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:15:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: More DS samples Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> from "Alan Chan" at Dec 14, 2004 01:11:40 AM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/134814 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:65.58893/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 On 14 Dec 2004 at 17:06, John Francis wrote: > A couple of things caught my eye. > > o What's with the screwball "digital filters"? I can, just about, > understand the B/W option. But for the life of me I don't see > why changing the aspect ratio to make things seem narrower or > wider is so important that it has to be possible in-camera. Think body image, it's sad but true. > o The Pentax RAW processing still sucks, if the comparisons there > are anything to go by. Images processed by "SILKYPIX Developer > Studio" (apparently a Japanese-market third party RAW decoder) > look a great deal better than those from Photo Laboratory. It's strange that the Japanese seem not to have embraced PS CS RAW though Silkypix is a pretty cool little package. I followed the link to the "SILKYPIX Developer Studio" yesterday and installed it. It has a whole lot more pre-set options than CS PS RAW and seems better integrated WRT colour and camera settings (seems better than PLab) http://www.silkypix.com/ BTW There is a very recent upgrade to Pentax Remote Assistant on the Pentax Japan web site, v1.01, don't know what it fixes but it contains the US version too and it's not made it to the Pentax US web site as yet. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 From jeff Wed Dec 15 00:29:29 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 16:29:29 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:29 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx5.postini.com ([64.18.0.145] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeN2n-0004Ll-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:29 -0800 Received: from source ([70.84.9.187]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5mx5.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:32:08 PST Received: from www.mythtv.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.mythtv.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Debian-14) with ESMTP id iBF0PB2n026533; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:26:40 GMT Received: from heretic.physik.fu-berlin.de (heretic.physik.fu-berlin.de [160.45.32.228]) by www.mythtv.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Debian-14) with ESMTP id iBF0NP8K026243 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:23:26 GMT Received: by heretic.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBF0NJ7Q016711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:23:20 +0100 Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by neu.nirvana (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBF0NJUR011764; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:23:19 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:23:19 +0100 From: Axel Thimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion about mythtv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i Subject: [mythtv-users] Re: Strange X behavior with nvidia drivers X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Discussion about mythtv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Discussion about mythtv <mythtv-users.mythtv.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2130114966==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 --===============2130114966== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY" Content-Disposition: inline --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 12:41:29PM -0500, Paul Hamm wrote: > No joy, I seem to have the same issue with 6111. BTW I had to download > and install the nvidia drivers manually as 6111 and 6106 both give this > error if you use atrpms. >=20 > nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE >=20 > the fix is to unpack the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run and edit > nv.c by adding the following line below the Global state comment. >=20 > unsigned int __VMALLOC_RESERVE; But that's the wrong "fix", as it introduces a different __VMALLOC_RESERVE symbol than the one that is not anymore exported (but still used). So while there are no errors at module load time, any access to __VMALLOC_RESERVE will be to the above symbol and not the kernel's. The fix is either in nvidia's sources (e.g. 6629) or in rexprting the symbol in the kernel (requires patching the kernel). > I also tried Jarods tip of adding, which did nothing. >=20 > Option "ConnectedMonitor" "crt" >=20 > I will drop the FC2 hard drive back in an see if I get the same > behavior. >=20 > On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 09:31, Doug Larrick wrote: > > Paul Hamm wrote: > > > I am currently going through an OS upgrade cycle to FC3. One of my > > > machines has a Chaintech 7nif2 igp system board 512mb XP 3200+. This > > > machine has been my test box for mythtv. I was planning to switch it > > > over to my primary work station and change my work station over to a > > > mythtv server. After installing FC3 (everything) and running apt-get > > > dist-upgrade, install KDE 3.3, latest FC3 kernel, and nvidia drivers.= I > > > noticed something odd. I usually run my workstation at 1280x1024. T= he > > > machine with the 7nif2 has always been run at 1024x768. Now I want it > > > to run at 1280x1024, it does so using the nv driver. The problem is > > > that if I use the nvidia driver 6629 I only get 1024x768 on the displ= ay > > > with a virtual 1280x1024. Is this a known issue or am I missing > > > something blindingly obvious? > >=20 > > IIRC 6629 fixes some bugs in the code that reads resolution information= =20 > > from the monitor. Try adding Option IgnoreEDID in the appropriate=20 > > location (sorry, not in front of me). > >=20 > > You're lucky, though... 6629 is completely hosed for people with cards= =20 > > earlier than about an FX5200. > >=20 > > -Doug > >=20 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > mythtv-users mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mythtv-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users --=20 Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBv4P3QBVS1GOamfERAkhGAJ9CR5LzD//GWxI/vEcU4AxYOdXAmgCdH3ZO cBXoQktwwWz2e9yLrLreLRk= =Z3nM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY-- --===============2130114966== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mythtv-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users --===============2130114966==-- From jeff Wed Dec 15 00:29:42 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 16:29:42 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:42 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx18.postini.com ([64.18.0.158] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeN30-0004Lw-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:42 -0800 Received: from source ([209.239.33.40]) by exprod5mx18.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:32:15 EST Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by host24.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id iBENpoWU001727 for [email protected]; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:51:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:50:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f From: "Gateway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Girlfriend going Canon, help! (let her do it) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:50:49 -0500 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/134827 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Seriously. I have a Canon 20D, had a Rebel. Great cameras. Sorry guys. Of course it's a royal pain in the neck when you want some decent glass because you have to sell body parts to buy the lenses. so then you end up buying old Takumar glass and looking at ways of cannibalising K mount lenses (see Cotty's site) to get mf lenses. But Canon produce great camaeras in my view. (feels like he's on stage with his pants around his ankles, people staring at him....) Gareth -----Original Message----- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:03 PM To: pentax list Subject: Re: Girlfriend going Canon, help! On 14/12/04, Juan Buhler, discombobulated, unleashed: >Besides, anyone with trousers knows that it is better to have someone >do something *because they want to*, not because they are made to... > >At least let them think that way, With me it's more like I let her think she wears the trousers and she thinks I don't know that she knows I let her think she knows I let her think she wears the trousers and she thinks I don't know that she knows I let her think she knows I let her think she wears the trousers and she thinks I don't know that she knows I let her think she knows I let her think she wears the trousers and she thinks I don't know that she knows I let her think she knows I let her think she wears the trousers and she thinks I don't know that she knows I let her think she knows I let her think she wears the trousers and she thinks I don't know that she knows I let her think she knows I let her think she wears the trousers and she thinks I don't know that she knows I let her think she knows I let her think she wears the trousers and she thinks I don't know that she knows I let her think she wears the trousers. ...I think. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=====| http://www.cottysnaps.com _____________________________ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.2 - Release Date: 12/13/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.2 - Release Date: 12/13/2004 From jeff Wed Dec 15 00:29:41 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 16:29:41 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:41 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx32.postini.com ([64.18.0.187] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeN2z-0004Ly-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:41 -0800 Received: from source ([64.118.64.245]) by exprod5mx32.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:32:20 PST Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id 54DBFE4BD7422543B6C9C74FF62BFECC Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:33:45 -0500 Subject: Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads From: Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:31:30 -0600 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-levels: (S:41.73098/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 > Sam wrote: > So if it wasn't for Rush we'de never know about Exxon or Texaco involvment. LOL - or the Wall Street Journal. From Dec 2nd: The roles of several American oil companies, including ChevronTexaco (CVX) and ExxonMobil (XOM), are also under investigation. ChevronTexaco received subpoenas requesting information for two separate grand jury proceedings, and said they were cooperating fully with both investigations. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:139912 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Wed Dec 15 00:29:43 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 16:29:43 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:43 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx98.postini.com ([64.18.0.86] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeN31-0004M0-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:43 -0800 Received: from source ([64.118.64.245]) by exprod5mx98.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:32:20 EST Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id 54DBFE4BD7422543B6C9C74FF62BFECC Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:33:45 -0500 Subject: Re: The ignorance of the conservative talking heads From: Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:31:30 -0600 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-levels: (S:42.70937/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.64 > Sam wrote: > So if it wasn't for Rush we'de never know about Exxon or Texaco involvment. LOL - or the Wall Street Journal. From Dec 2nd: The roles of several American oil companies, including ChevronTexaco (CVX) and ExxonMobil (XOM), are also under investigation. ChevronTexaco received subpoenas requesting information for two separate grand jury proceedings, and said they were cooperating fully with both investigations. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:139912 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Wed Dec 15 00:29:43 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 16:29:43 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: [email protected] Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:43 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx116.postini.com ([64.18.0.88] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeN31-0004MI-00 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:29:43 -0800 Received: from source ([209.239.33.40]) by exprod5mx116.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:31:22 HST Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by host24.websitesource.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id iBENXxJw008175 for [email protected]; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:33:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:32:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: host24.websitesource.com: dbrewer set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: *istD auto focus woes Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:32:10 +1100 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by host24.websitesource.com id iBENWR4V006591 Resent-Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailing-List: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archive/latest/134820 X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Jens, Still muddled, I think. Reading your original statement in light of your clarification indicates that you STILL think DOF ranges from 2/3 closer (or ahead) to 1/3 further away (or behind) in respect of the focused distance. Rather than talking from memory, please do as I suggested and consult the DOF scale on a lens. Then you will see that the limits of DOF surround the focus mark on each side by the same distance on the ring, but that the actual distances to subject represented by these limits are 1/3 closer to 2/3 further away. e.g. My 35mm lens when focused at 2m and aperture set to f22 has a near DOF limit of about 1.5m and a far DOF limit of about 3m, i.e. 1/3 of DOF is ahead and 2/3 of DOF is behind the point of focus. This is an observed fact. IOW, along the range of DOF from near to far, the focused point is 1/3 of the way between the nearest and the furthest "sharp" objects. In ASCI: NDOF***************F******************************FDOF NEAR DOF POINT OF FOCUS FAR DOF regards, Anthony Farr > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2004 6:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: *istD auto focus woes > > Nope, Anthony! I meant what I said, but perhaps I express my self badly in > English. By "ahead" I actually meant "before" the object or closer to the > camera. By "behind" I meant between the object and infinity. I guess we are > really trying to say the same thing :-). > > Anyway, I have never done photographs whith the *ist D, where the margins of > focus was so narrow, that I have noticed any focusing problems. Perhaps I > should do some testing? > Jens Bladt > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: Anthony Farr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sendt: 14. december 2004 05:50 > Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Emne: RE: *istD auto focus woes > > > Jens, > > I think you meant 1/3 AHEAD and 2/3 BEHIND the focusing distance. It's easy > to verify this. Look at the DOF scale on a lens (you'll probably need an > old lens to check this) and you'll see that the far-side limit of DOF > encompasses more metres, feet or furlongs (as is your wont) between itself > and the focusing mark, than falls between the near-side limit of DOF and the > focusing mark. > > regards, > Anthony Farr > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > An old rule of thumb used to be, that the DOF lies 1/3 behind and 2/3 > ahead > > of the focusing distance. So I guess a little behind is perhaps better > than > > a little ahead :-). > > > > Jens Bladt > > > > > >
