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> pentax-discuss-d Digest                               Volume 04 : Issue 335
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> Today's Topics:
>   RE: database software                 [ "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Good "normal" lens for the *ist-  [ Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: PESO Shuz                         [ Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: PESO Shuz                         [ Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL 
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>   RE: database software                 [ "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL 
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>   Re: PESO Shuz                         [ Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: PESO: Damp fall morning           [ "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: PESO Shuz                         [ Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   istDS AE-L button                     [ "Andy Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   PESO - Coming in for a landing        [ Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: PESO: Damp fall morning           [ Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Thanks Guys (135/2.8 A Rating)    [ "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   lots of pdml                          [ "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing    [ Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: An Alternative to JPEG...:PNG     [ Jon Glass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: Paw: Fall colours #1              [ "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> ]
>   Re: istDS AE-L button                 [ "Ryan K. Brooks" <[EMAIL 
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>   SV: Good "normal" lens for the *ist-  [ "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: database software                 [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: lots of pdml                      [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing    [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing    [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   RE: Thanks Guys (135/2.8 A Rating)    [ "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: database software                 [ Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: PESO Shuz                         [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing    [ Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing    [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Good "normal" lens for the *ist-  [ Jarek Dabrowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>   Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing    [ Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL 
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>   Re: SV: Good "normal" lens for the *  [ Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
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> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:23:24 +0100
> From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: database software
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> Thanks, Joel.
> So, Photoshop Elements 3.0 work as a database/file browser/Thumb Nail
> Viewer, using keywords/tags and has a search engine?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Joel M. Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 29. november 2004 15:27
> Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Emne: Re: database software
> 
> 
> Exactly.  Photoshop Elements 3.0, which was just released, now has Photoshop
> Album built in.  I'd tried using previous versions of Album but since it
> didn't handle PEF I had to convert every image which made the old program
> less appealing.  The new version reads PEF just fine and includes many
> editing features that I previously needed the full version of Photoshop for.
> Now my only complaint is that it won't rotate the PEF files unless I convert
> them to another format.  It isn't a big deal and hopefully they can add a
> way to view the image rotated without actually needing to change the image
> file.
> 
> Joel
> 
> - ----------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:23:34 -0500 (EST)
> From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: database software
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> Err...  Photoshop Elements 3.0, like he said, perhaps?
> 
> (Elements 3.0 includes Adobe Photoshop Album)
> 
> 
> Jens Bladt mused:
> >
> > Joel, what software is the basis for you database?
> >
> > Jens Bladt
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> >
> >
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: Joel M. Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sendt: 29. november 2004 07:13
> > Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Emne: Re: database software
> >
> >
> > Larry,
> >   I installed Adobe Photoshop Elements 3.0 this weekend and am fairly
> > impressed so far. My database has over 11,000 images occupying 31.5 GB and
> > it is working flawlessly. I've been assigning up to 6 tags to each image
> to
> > specify year, location, subject, etc.  It will be interesting to find out
> if
> > it has a maximum database size. An added bonus, and the feature that
> > prompted me to buy is that it handles Pentax RAW files.
> >
> > Joel
> >
> >
> > Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually
> > comes from bad judgment.
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:13:49 -0500
> From: Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jon Glass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Good "normal" lens for the *ist-en?
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> > What would make a good "normal" lens for an *istD or *istDS?
> 
> A lot depends, of course, on what each individual considers to be a
> "normal" focal length.
> 
> For the 35mm format, while the "common" normal FL is considered to
> be 50mm, some like 55mm better, and there are some who like 77mm or
> 85mm, while some like 40mm, 35mm, or 31mm.
> 
> Add in (or multiply by, I guess) the APS cropping factor, and you'd
> also get quite a range of APS "normal" focal lengths.
> 
> Fred
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:07:43 -0500
> From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PESO Shuz
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> Rob Studdert wrote:
> 
> > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8873.jpg
> >
> > Hand held grab shot using my *ist D and FA200/2.8, 1/100th @ f6.3 ISO 400
> >
> > Comments welcome.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> 
> Nice grab, Rob - but, um, somehow I don't think the "shuz' were your main
> inspiration
> to grab that shot :)
> 
> ann
> 
> >
> > Rob Studdert
> > HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
> > Tel +61-2-9554-4110
> > UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
> > Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:25:51 +0100
> From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO Shuz
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> Rob Studdert wrote on 29.11.04 16:23:
> 
> > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8873.jpg
> > 
> > Hand held grab shot using my *ist D and FA200/2.8, 1/100th @ f6.3 ISO 400
> Shuz are nice, but legz even nicer (at least to my man's eyes ;-) Well done
> Rob, good framing, DOF, exposure, right moment and subject :-) Do we need
> more?
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards
> Sylwek
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:43:21 -0500
> From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: database software
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> If you really want to go full-scale
> 1) built-in web server & domain hosting
> 2) automatic thumbnail generation
> 3) images limited by drive size only
> 4) indexing by project or keyword
> 5) Secure.  Very secure.
> 6) multi-user
> 7) PS image edits logging & storage
> 8) Includes the server hardware with software preinstalled.
> 
> Turnkey solution.  Set it up.  Set the domain name that you're hosting, 
> connect it to your broadband, and go.
> 
> $10,000 US, with server license, software, Win2003 Server, single user client 
> license, 1 year software support agreement, Domino server, Notes client, and 
> image management solution.  Add $150 per additional user license.
> 
> For an extra $35,000, IBM Content Manager can be installed and configured for 
> the most secure and reliable image storage available.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> C. Brendemuehl
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________________________
> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
> 
> 
>  
>                    
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:46:19 -0800
> From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PESO Shuz
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> How many women ARE there?
> I see at least two other legs, or parts thereof, beyond the obvious two 
> in the foreground:
> 
> One foot with a shoe with a teal leather covering, propped up on the 
> balustrade, and a foot on the ground behind her, a riveted shoe strap 
> that doesn't belong to either, facing to the right...
> 
> Nice shot!
> 
> keith
> 
> alkos wrote:
> 
> > Rob Studdert, at T=1523.17 :
> > 
> >>http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8873.jpg
> > 
> > I'd like to see the red leather gloves not-cut and well composed in this
> > shot :)
> > 
> > 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:57:23 -0500
> From: "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO: Damp fall morning
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> Keith....
> That's not a Boxter.  It's a Toyota, man...inline 4
> 
> Cory
> needs to get moving and take care of some of this honeydo...
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 11:05 AM
> Subject: Re: PESO: Damp fall morning
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > cbwaters wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Pretty lake, even when dismal!
> >
> >> Cory
> >
> >> Drooling over this:
> >> http://www.thkphoto.com/products/tokina/photos-l/atx828afpro.jpg
> >
> > Oh, that's nice, but...
> >
> >> And this:
> >> http://auto.consumerguide.com/images/autoreview/lrg/01812211990001LRG.jpg
> >
> > I've run out of drool and had to replenish periodically, over the Boxter! 
> > <bg>
> >
> > keith whaley
> >
> >
> 
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> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:04:56 -0500
> From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PESO Shuz
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> Rob Studdert wrote on 11/29/2004, 10:23 AM:
> 
>  > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8873.jpg
>  >
> 
> Nice legs!
> 
> Last summer I was walking around DC with my camera during a lunch break, 
> spotted a woman with the most over-the-top, highest, gold stiletto shoes 
>   I've ever seen.  I had a 200mm lens on the ist D but missed the shot 
> as traffic came between us.  In an instant she was gone....
> 
> -- 
> Christian
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:13:00 +0800
> From: "Andy Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: istDS AE-L button
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> I got my Ds tonight... it's a little gem. It cost me around USD833 body
> only in Taiwan
> I don't know whether this info has been posted before, so I'll post it
> again.
> And the first thing I checked was the use of MF lenses.
> When set in M mode and the use of the aperture ring, the correct
> exposure will be measured, set and locked by a single press of the AE-L
> button without the need of using DOF lever...
> Just like the green button on the istD...
> Fantastic!
> 
> Cheers
> Andy
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:22:47 -0500
> From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: PESO - Coming in for a landing
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> Gear down, full flaps, nose into the wind....
> 
> http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=7
> 
> yes, it's another stupid bird.....
> 
> Pentax *ist D, 300mm Sigma APO, 2x Sigma EX TC, hand held ISO 200 f5.6 
> 1/800.  Full frame just resized and "save for web"
> 
> comments welcomed and appreciated.
> 
> -- 
> Christian
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:30:48 -0800
> From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PESO: Damp fall morning
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> cbwaters wrote:
> 
> > Keith....
> > That's not a Boxter.  It's a Toyota, man...inline 4
> 
> Wow! The similarities are there.
> Model? MR2?
> Rear wheel drive, yet! Astounding.
> As is the price! I could almost afford one of those!
> 
> thanks,  keith
> 
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Whaley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 11:05 AM
> > Subject: Re: PESO: Damp fall morning
> 
> [....]
> 
> >>> And this:
> >>> http://auto.consumerguide.com/images/autoreview/lrg/01812211990001LRG.jpg 
> 
> >> I've run out of drool and had to replenish periodically, over the 
> >> Boxter! <bg>
> >>
> >> keith whaley
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:32:08 -0500 (EST)
> From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Thanks Guys (135/2.8 A Rating)
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> Kostas Kavoussanakis mused:
> > 
> > On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, Pat Curran wrote:
> > 
> > > Thanks to all who responded to my request for a rating of the above lens.
> > >
> > > Looks like it's one to avoid; pity as KEH have one rated 'bargain' 
> > > ($94.00)
> > > at the moment.
> > 
> > You can get a K135/3.5 or M135/3.5 easy with that kind of money. If
> > you add customs and taxes (you are liable to those in Ireland,
> > right?), even the 135/2.5 may be in reach.
> > 
> > > It looks like the SMC 'M' lenses very often out do their newer 'A' stable
> > > mates from what I can see reading PDML posts.
> > 
> > Not easy to make that generalisation. SMC-A coatings are probably
> > better for a start.
> > 
> > > 2) When I upgrade to the * ist D next year, I want to carry over as much
> > > compatibility as possible with my lenses.
> > 
> > My understanding of the situation is that what you really lose is Tv
> > and P modes. If you use them a lot, problem :-)
> > 
> > Kostas
> 
> Not quite.  That's what you lose if you use a pre-A lens on a camera
> such as a PZ-1p, an MZ-S, or many other cameras from the Pentax line.
> 
> On the *ist-D bodies you also lose Av and P modes, and live metering.
> 
> (in other words: on a camera with an aperture simulator coupling you
> have something that works rather like an ME series body; on a camera
> without that coupling you're back to the days of the Spotmatic II).
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:37:54 -0500
> From: "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: lots of pdml
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> looking for an old email message on my computer, I decided to look up the 
> oldest PDML message I had.  May 4, 2003 From Jim Apilado RE: Old man of the 
> mountain gone.
> This computer went online about that time and the hard drive in the old one 
> is a brick now so anything before then is gone.
> 
> looking at old folders and archives, I have 103,245 PDML messages on my 
> computer.
> I've been around here since some time in 00 judging by my first PUG entry 
> from October 00.
> 
> man...I really need to go outside...
> 
> Cory
> 
> 
> 
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> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:42:07 -0800
> From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing
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> Christian wrote:
> 
> > Gear down, full flaps, nose into the wind....
> > 
> > http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=7
> > 
> > yes, it's another stupid bird.....
> 
> No, no! LOVE your birds...
> You have a touch with them.
> 
> keith whaley
> 
> > Pentax *ist D, 300mm Sigma APO, 2x Sigma EX TC, hand held ISO 200 f5.6 
> > 1/800.  Full frame just resized and "save for web"
> > 
> > comments welcomed and appreciated.
> > 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:46:38 +0100
> From: Jon Glass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: An Alternative to JPEG...:PNG
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> On Nov 29, 2004, at 3:45 PM, William Robb wrote:
> 
> > Sixteen bit TIFF anyone?
> > Seems to work....
> >
> 
> Yeah, that's what I do. When I open a JPEG out of my camera, in 
> Photoshop, the first thing I do is save it as a TIFF. From there, I 
> keep it until I save a copy for printing, and that's when I do 
> sharpening and sizing. Only the jpeg gets these things. The TIFF is for 
> working and saving. JPEGs are for web and sharing. Works great for me! 
> (and my hard drive is filling.) ;-)
> -- 
> -Jon Glass
> Krakow, Poland
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:45:24 -0800
> From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Paw: Fall colours #1
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> There may be a bit too much cyan as the adjustments were quick and not very
> fine.  Mostly I was just trying to show Dave a technique or two, which we
> discussed in private mail.  Looking at the pics again I don't see too much
> cyan, but it's been proven over the years that others have a better eye for
> subtle color than do I.
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Peter J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: 11/29/2004 5:35:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: Paw: Fall colours #1
> >
> > I have to agree with Shel, there was obviously too much red in the first 
> > rendition, it may be my monitor but the second seems a bit too cyan.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:51:40 -0600
> From: "Ryan K. Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: istDS AE-L button
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> Andy Chang wrote:
> 
> >And the first thing I checked was the use of MF lenses.
> >When set in M mode and the use of the aperture ring, the correct
> >exposure will be measured, set and locked by a single press of the AE-L
> >button without the need of using DOF lever...
> >Just like the green button on the istD...
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> Thanks for confirming this, Andy.   We've been hearing alot, but it's 
> nice to know that someone with a DS has had success.
> 
> -Ryan
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:58:18 +0100
> From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: SV: Good "normal" lens for the *ist-en?
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> ...should be "divide" by crop factor, right!
> 
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 29. november 2004 16:14
> Til: Jon Glass
> Emne: Re: Good "normal" lens for the *ist-en?
> 
> 
> > What would make a good "normal" lens for an *istD or *istDS?
> 
> A lot depends, of course, on what each individual considers to be a
> "normal" focal length.
> 
> For the 35mm format, while the "common" normal FL is considered to
> be 50mm, some like 55mm better, and there are some who like 77mm or
> 85mm, while some like 40mm, 35mm, or 31mm.
> 
> Add in (or multiply by, I guess) the APS cropping factor, and you'd
> also get quite a range of APS "normal" focal lengths.
> 
> Fred
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:58:53 +0000
> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: database software
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> I've just discovered that PS CS File Browser is much improved over PS7 -
> including assigning keywords to tagged picture files, fully searchable.
> Lookin good :-)
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   |     People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=====|    http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _____________________________
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:03:15 +0000
> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: lots of pdml
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On 29/11/04, cbwaters, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >looking at old folders and archives, I have 103,245 PDML messages on my 
> >computer.
> >I've been around here since some time in 00 judging by my first PUG entry 
> >from October 00.
> >
> >man...I really need to go outside...
> >
> >Cory
> 
> You're a sad case mate - there's no hope....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   |     People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=====|    http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _____________________________
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:03:32 US/Eastern
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Great shot.
> 
> Looks like he's in the middle of his final landing adjustments.
> 
> Keeper:-)
> 
> Dave Brooks                                   
>  
> > 
> > Christian wrote:
> > 
> > > Gear down, full flaps, nose into the wind....
> > > 
> > > http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=7
> > > 
> > > yes, it's another stupid bird.....
>  > Pentax *ist D, 300mm Sigma APO, 2x Sigma EX TC, hand held ISO 200 f5.6 
> > > 1/800.  Full frame just resized and "save for web"
> > > 
> > > comments welcomed and appreciated.
> > > 
> > 
> 
>                               
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:07:41 +0000
> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On 29/11/04, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >Gear down, full flaps, nose into the wind....
> >
> >http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=7
> >
> >yes, it's another stupid bird.....
> 
> SUPER shot Christian, nicely done. You've captured well a familiar site
> to us all with some nice light and a clean background. Lovely!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   |     People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=====|    http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _____________________________
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:08:22 +0100
> From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: Thanks Guys (135/2.8 A Rating)
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> That's true, John, in a way. But it's still a little more convenient, that
> the stopped down measuring is done electronically and the camera (*ist D/DS)
> remembers the metered value/appropriate shutter speed.
> 
> I only use 4-5 "K" or "M" lenses on the *ist D (35, 105, 135, 300,
> 70-150mm), so it's not really a big issue. My most used lenses are A, F or
> FA. On the other hand - if the *ist D had an aperture simulator, I might get
> some more (good) old lenses.
> 
> Jens Bladt
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
> 
> 
> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sendt: 29. november 2004 18:32
> Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Emne: Re: Thanks Guys (135/2.8 A Rating)
> 
> 
> Kostas Kavoussanakis mused:
> >
> > On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, Pat Curran wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks to all who responded to my request for a rating of the above
> lens.
> > >
> > > Looks like it's one to avoid; pity as KEH have one rated 'bargain'
> ($94.00)
> > > at the moment.
> >
> > You can get a K135/3.5 or M135/3.5 easy with that kind of money. If
> > you add customs and taxes (you are liable to those in Ireland,
> > right?), even the 135/2.5 may be in reach.
> >
> > > It looks like the SMC 'M' lenses very often out do their newer 'A'
> stable
> > > mates from what I can see reading PDML posts.
> >
> > Not easy to make that generalisation. SMC-A coatings are probably
> > better for a start.
> >
> > > 2) When I upgrade to the * ist D next year, I want to carry over as much
> > > compatibility as possible with my lenses.
> >
> > My understanding of the situation is that what you really lose is Tv
> > and P modes. If you use them a lot, problem :-)
> >
> > Kostas
> 
> Not quite.  That's what you lose if you use a pre-A lens on a camera
> such as a PZ-1p, an MZ-S, or many other cameras from the Pentax line.
> 
> On the *ist-D bodies you also lose Av and P modes, and live metering.
> 
> (in other words: on a camera with an aperture simulator coupling you
> have something that works rather like an ME series body; on a camera
> without that coupling you're back to the days of the Spotmatic II).
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:12:22 -0500
> From: Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: database software
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> Cotty wrote on 11/29/2004, 12:58 PM:
> 
>  > I've just discovered that PS CS File Browser is much improved over PS7 -
>  > including assigning keywords to tagged picture files, fully searchable.
>  > Lookin good :-)
> 
> PS CS is becoming my "one-stop-shop" for photo editing/browsing... 
> Anybody tried to make a CD cover using the "contact sheet II"?  Looks 
> like I'm going to be organized for once!
> 
> -- 
> Christian
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:13:13 +0000
> From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "pentax list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO Shuz
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> On 30/11/04, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >http://members.ozemail.com.au/~audiob/temp/IMGP8873.jpg
> >
> >Hand held grab shot using my *ist D and FA200/2.8, 1/100th @ f6.3 ISO 400
> >
> >Comments welcome.
> 
> Leg fetishist!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
> 
> ___/\__
> ||   (O)   |     People, Places, Pastiche
> ||=====|    http://www.cottysnaps.com
> _____________________________
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:20:01 -0500
> From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> Christian wrote:
> 
> > Gear down, full flaps, nose into the wind....
> >
> > http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=7
> >
> > yes, it's another stupid bird.....
> 
> bird yes, stupid no
> gorgeous shot Christian!
> 
> annsan she how loves birds
> 
> >
> >
> > Pentax *ist D, 300mm Sigma APO, 2x Sigma EX TC, hand held ISO 200 f5.6
> > 1/800.  Full frame just resized and "save for web"
> >
> > comments welcomed and appreciated.
> >
> > --
> > Christian
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:28:47 +0000
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Great shot. You nailed the focus and framing, while catching the critter at 
> the perfect moment. Congratulations.
> 
> 
> > On 29/11/04, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:
> > 
> > >Gear down, full flaps, nose into the wind....
> > >
> > >http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=7
> > >
> > >yes, it's another stupid bird.....
> > 
> > SUPER shot Christian, nicely done. You've captured well a familiar site
> > to us all with some nice light and a clean background. Lovely!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >   Cotty
> > 
> > 
> > ___/\__
> > ||   (O)   |     People, Places, Pastiche
> > ||=====|    http://www.cottysnaps.com
> > _____________________________
> > 
> > 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date:         Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:39:03 -0500
> From: Jarek Dabrowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Good "normal" lens for the *ist-en?
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> Nick Clark wrote:
> > I use the Pentax 24mm f/2.8 SMC-A lens. I did use the Sigma 24mm
> > f/1.8 before I got the Pentax, but prefer the compact size of the
> > Pentax. I used mainly manual focus with the Sigma anyway, so don't
> > miss the AF.
> 
> Could you tell more about Sigma 24/1.8 performance (sharpness, and flare 
> control) ? Have you used it on a full-frame SLR ?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Jerry
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:44:58 +0100
> From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: PESO - Coming in for a landing
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> Christian wrote on 29.11.04 18:22:
> 
> > Gear down, full flaps, nose into the wind....
> > 
> > http://www.skofteland.net/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=7
> > 
> > yes, it's another stupid bird.....
> > 
> > Pentax *ist D, 300mm Sigma APO, 2x Sigma EX TC, hand held ISO 200 f5.6
> > 1/800.  Full frame just resized and "save for web"
> > 
> > comments welcomed and appreciated.
> Perfectly lit and nice, far from central framing. Excellent photo!
> 
> -- 
> Pozdrowienia
> Sylwek
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:39:55 -0500
> From: Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jens Bladt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: SV: Good "normal" lens for the *ist-en?
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Add in (or multiply by, I guess) the APS cropping factor, and
> > you'd also get quite a range of APS "normal" focal lengths.
> 
> > ...should be "divide" by crop factor, right!
> 
> Oops - yes, that's quite right, Jens.  Thanks for catching me in one
> of my "senior moments" - <g>.
> 
> Fred
> 
> --------------------------------
> End of pentax-discuss-d Digest V04 Issue #335
> *********************************************
> 
> 

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