There are no pre-installed Symantec products to my knowledge 
with any Windows OS.  The exceptions would be those crappy 
"Restore CD's" you get with name brand PC's that aren't really 
an OS.  They may have a Symantec product bundled product on 
them.  AdAware has nothing to do with Symantec.

All Windows OS's come with thousands of images.  Some are not 
needed, like the obvious in My Pictures and the like, and in 
the Wallpaper folder (if you don't use wallpaper).  The rest 
are going to be needed for various Windows' programs' GUI 
interfaces.  They are NOT just jpg's, they are in ALL image 
formats: jpg, gif, png, bmp, ico, etc.

When you don't know what something is, just look it up.  ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-box_experience

Remember I told you that XP's System Restore is VERY lacking. 
It does NOT actually restore everything on your PC it SHOULD 
restore.  Don't rely on it.  You need ERUNT for that.  See last 
paragraph here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg12371.html
-Clint

God Bless
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://OrpheusComputing.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harold B."


> >> Do you have anything from Symantec installed on your PC 
> >> now? If so,
> >> that folder is for it. - -Clint
>
> > But your question is interesting. How would one know if one 
> > has anything
> > *from* a "whatever name" installed on a PC? --- Harold
>
> Well Harold if you don't know, then certainly know one else 
> is going to
> know what you have installed. - -Clint
>
It's not that easy. My question above really referred to the 
pre-installed
programs; how would I know which of them came from Symantec? 
Nothing that I
personally downloaded came from the Symantec site. I even went 
there looking
for their products to see if I'm using anything of theirs. Only 
thing
familiar I noticed was Ad-aware mentioned but I think Ad-aware 
is
manufactured by Lavasoft. With all nine Symantic folders/files 
still in the
Recycle bin (easy to restore them to their original places), my 
Ad-aware was
still able to update.

Other than my text format in OE (question will soon follow), 
the computer is
working like a charm. And you'd be amazed how much junk I was 
able to fish
out of Program Files, Windows, System32, and the Registry. An 
example: I
have 19 pictures of mountain climbers, cyclists, parts of 
cities from all
over the world, and the leaning tower of pizza, etc, in
C:\windows\system32\oobe\images ... why are they there?

Some of the jpg's there seem to be important (arrows, 
backgrounds, splash
screens ... these might be necessary for running the system) , 
pictures that
seem to be for a tutorial might soon be deleted. Think of all 
the wallpaper
in C:\windows\web\wallpaper ... why keep them
all? If you need wallpaper, open MSPaint and make your own? 
Better yet,
dowload something you like to look at, crop and change it to a 
bmp and
voila.

When they made the computer friendly, it was a blessing to 
millions (and
Bill is giving millions back to the millions), but friendly, or 
is it
familiarity, breeds contempt, and it's like a mission; I'm 
getting rid of
all those contemptuous files and folders. I'm keeping a record 
of everything
and so far, it's working fine. Should the system collapse, I'll 
know what
straw it was and it'll be a learning experience.

Interesting that WinXP (which you guys convinced me to get, 
kudos to all of
you) makes it so easy to experiment this way; especialy with 
using the
recycle bin with an easy restore from there, with a hold folder 
on the
desktop to store files/folders while seeing how the system 
works without
them, and with creating "restore points" in system restore 
(something
important in system32), it's another way of having fun.
--- Harold


>
> From: "Support-OrpheusComputing.com"
> Symantec or Norton makes dozens of different products, and 
> most if not all
> of them have that "Live Update" plugin.  Searching your HD is 
> the only
> way, but (I realize they are in the Recycle Bin) you can't 
> just go and
> start deleting folders off your HD. They may be needed for 
> something.
> Also if you delete the folders then try and UNinstall 
> something (related
> to a deleted folder), it won't uninstall properly if at all.
>
> Why can't you just look in the Symantec folder that was under 
> Program
> Files and **see** what it is?  If it's empty or if you're 
> CERTAIN it was
> for their AV software, then you have your answer and it can 
> be deleted.
> You may also have a "Live Update" entry under "Add/Remove 
> Programs"
> (unless of course you already removed it). - -Clint
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> I have one Symantec folder in my "Program Files" and two in 
> my
> "Application Data" folders. I know it has something to do 
> with LiveUpdate,
> maybe only needed with Norton. I use AVG (free) for those 
> "nasties" ...
> does this Symantec have any other reason besides Norton for 
> being in my
> system? I deleted Norton ages ago, and using RegSeeker it 
> doesn't even
> appear in the Registry. --- Harold
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