Beartooth via Pan-users posted on Sat, 12 Apr 2025 17:36:30 -0000 (UTC) as excerpted:
> I'm tweaking two new (to me) PCs -- a job I haven't done in years. > Both are running Fedora 41 Mate. I've gotten the programs installed that > I depend on most -- EXCEPT Pan itself. (It's running on a third PC.) > > Every pointer I've followed has led me to approaches way over my > head, despite the fact I've depended heavily on Pan for my survival > since before the new millennium. > > Am I missing some obvious source of an rpm for Pan that I can just > download and run "dnf install" with?? Is there a way to copy the whole > surviving kit & caboodle off the old PC onto the new ones? Like Wayne I recognize the name, and I'm *so* happy to see it again! I think it was January or February (my 58th was Jan 26) I was thinking I hadn't seen "Beartooth" around in awhile, and thinking about my age... and how I guess at this age one just has to start to get used to familiar names just ceasing to appear... So really, I'm **SO** happy to see it again!!! [Imagine those videos of a veteran returning after a year on- post, when his dog sees him again! That's mentally where I am! =:^) ] It has been over two decades (literally, since spring 2004... so 21 years!!... there's that age thing again!) since I was on an RPM-based distro, but even back then I was trying to install newer versions of stuff, and there was this rpmfind site that I still occasionally use to look up what package contains some file or something... RPMFind, aka rpmfind.net . As it happens kde/plasma (Wayne, being on KDE this might be useful for you too, it's part of the kio kde-frameworks package, rpmfind.desktop, so you almost certainly have it) had back then and still has an rpmfind "web shortcut" that's invoked from krunner or the like using rpmfind:whatever search term , where the search term can be a package name, a file it includes/provides, etc. That's how I discovered it (configuring the web shortcuts... rpmfind... looks interesting!...) and why it's still so convenient to use to look up package-related info even tho I'm so long off rpm. So krunner: rpmfind:pan gives me this: https://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=pan Assuming x86_64 arch as well to skip over the exotic stuff: https://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=pan&arch=x86_64 (You can fill in system too, but fedora in system doesn't show any pan, only the unrelated libpan, so leave system blank in this case.) Looks like Mageia Caldron (their pre-release version) has 0.162 available on rpmfind, and a couple OpenSuSE variants have 0.161. All other versions are 0.149 or earlier and Wayne already pointed out a Fedora 0.149 version. At least back in 2004 I regularly installed rpmfind-sourced rpms cross- distro, and it actually worked quite well, but of course newer versions would often require newer versions of libraries as well, and rpm couldn't find them on my normal distro repos, so I'd often have to try, get the error saying some library wasn't available in a new enough version, go find it on rpmfind, try installing it, sometimes getting another error about some other not new enough package... repeat several times for various packages until all the deps were satisfied, THEN I could finally install the new version of the package I was after all along! AKA "dependency hell". But it /can/ be done with suitable patience, and you don't have to learn how to actually build the package in question to do it. Maybe Wayne can try pan from rpmfind on his fedora 41 and you two can compare notes on what other packages if any you have to upgrade from rpmfind to get it working? Of course the other caution is that in theory some small fraction of the time the newer versions of libraries might break some other package you have installed (after all, that's the whole reason "stable enterprise distros" tend to be so stale, they don't want to chance breakage with an upgrade, no matter how small that chance is), but I actually did this somewhat routinely and never had that problem that I recall, so I'd say it's reasonably unlikely. Just be aware of the possibility in case something /does/ break, and know that /if/ it happens you may have to either upgrade whatever breaks as well, or choose between keeping a working pan while whatever remains broken, or breaking pan by reinstalling the old versions of the libraries actually from your distro to fix whatever the new versions broke. But from my experience anyway, I'd say don't worry too much about it unless it happens. I'm just covering my ... with this warning, just in case! YMMV! =:^) Again, /so/ glad to see your name again! =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman _______________________________________________ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
