On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 16:08:53 +0200 Petr Kovar <pknbe-VIXq6x/3...@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 31 May 2017 01:45:34 +0000 (UTC) > Duncan <1i5t5.duncan-j9pdmedngrk-xmd5yjdbdmrexy1tmh2...@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > > Detlef Graef posted on Mon, 29 May 2017 20:24:01 +0200 as excerpted: > > > > > the libgnome-keyring library which is used when Pan is build with the > > > option --enable-gkr is deprecated. During the build process I get > > > warnings [...] > > > > > The suggested new libraries to replace libgnome-keyring are: > > > > > > https://developer.gnome.org/libsecret/ and > > > https://developer.gnome.org/gcr/ > > > > > > I have a patch (which has to be tested) to remove dependency on > > > libgnome-keyring. > > > > > > libsecret and/or gcr are part of Gtk+ 3, this means Pan cannot be run > > > with the patch above applied and Gtk+ 2. > > > > > > Pan doesn't start if it is build with libsecret, gcr and Gtk+ 2. The > > > following error occurs: > > > > > > (pan:20683): Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and > > > GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported > > > > > > The question is if the patch should be applied now or should we wait > > > until libgnome-keyring is removed? > > > > > > How long will Gtk+ 2 will be supported? > > > > Not being a dev, it's possible my knowledge of pan's gtk3 support status > > is now outdated, but last I knew, building against gtk2 was still > > recommended, as there were still mysterious runtime errors and various > > GUI glitches when built against gtk3. > > Yep, though I'm wondering to what degree this is still the case. > Anyone running gtk3 here can comment? > > > And building against gtk2 is what I'm doing here, using a long customized > > live-git fetching ebuild from my overlay, based on the old gentoo live- > > git pan ebuild I don't believe it ships any more. > > > > But I've always built with the keyring support off as it pulled in too > > many unwanted gtk/gnome deps I didn't otherwise use. > > > > Meanwhile, after just checking the gentoo main-tree ebuilds, gentoo at > > least has continued to force a gtk2 build (--without-gtk3), the comment > > in the (0.141) ebuild saying "gtk3 support is still not ready (follow > > what Fedora does)". But it's quite possible that hasn't been reviewed in > > awhile. > > > > So the question from that is what Fedora is currently doing? Are they > > still forcing gtk2? > > Fedora does the very same as what you say, but then again, it might be > mostly due to historical reasons. > > How would regulars here feel about switching to gtk3 by default? That way, > it could get more attention from people who run the default configuration, > that is, in case there are outstanding (major) issues with the gtk3 > support. > > > And the larger question of course is how long the distros are likely to > > continue to ship gtk2? And on that, last I knew, Firefox still hard-deps > > on gtk2, even when built with the optional gtk3, so at least distros that > > ship a shared-lib firefox will continue to need gtk2 for the time being. > > > > Meanwhile, what's the status of the various gtk-based desktops? I'm a > > kde/plasma desktop (but not so much else these days) guy so haven't been > > keeping track, but last I knew, at least one of them had no plans to go > > gtk3... or wayland. > > > > So gtk2 might well be around for awhile. But I don't believe anyone's > > doing a gtk2 wayland port, which means anything stuck on it will be stuck > > to x11, and will likely eventually be handled by xwayland on wayland > > based desktops and systems. > > > > Meanwhile, that "deprecation" only applies to gtk3, correct? Nobody's > > killing the gtk2-based lib, right? If so then it really does appear to > > be just one more aspect of the larger gtk2/gtk3 question, which is > > obviously how I treated it, above. > > As for libgnome-keyring, we could continue build it together with gtk2 > (when gtk2 is enabled), but gtk3 would always be built with the new > libraries (libsecret & gcr). This is now in master together with Detlef's port to libsecret & gcr. If there are no major issues with the code, I think we can release a 0.142 soonish. Cheers, pk _______________________________________________ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
