Dick Baker posted on Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:48:42 -0800 as excerpted: > Is the Pan newsgroup working properly? I keep getting error messages > and/or failed sends when trying to respond to this note within Pan. I'm > sending this instead via the email/listserv interface.
I don't know the context in which that question and comments are made, but... * This is technically a pan "mailing list", not a newsgroup. In native/ normal usage, you'd use your mail client (or browser with a web-hosted email service) to send post to it. * There does, however, exist the gmane list-to-news-and-back-again gateway service and archive (also available via a web interface, see http://gmane.org ), which gateways the mailing list into a newsgroup, which is hosted on the news.gmane.org news server as the gmane.comp.gnome.apps.pan.user "newsgroup". And since pan users tend to be newsgroup oriented already (doh, pan considers its goal to be a "pimp- ass news" client, thus the "PAN" name! =:^), many list regulars (including me) interface to the /list/ via the gmane /newsgroup/ interface, such that in this context the difference between the two is somewhat blurred. * There may be other services gating this /list/ as a newsgroup in other contexts. I know for sure there are a number of web gateways to the list, but NNTP being a less common and more geekish protocol as practiced by ordinary users, presumably such news/list gateways are less common than web/list gateways and I don't personally know of any other than gmane. That being the case, a reference to this pan "newsgroup" could be seen in the context of the gmane list2news gateway service and more specifically the newsgroup gated from the mailing list as described above. It is in that context that I too participate on this list/group, and... As far as I can see, there's no gmane or gateway-process mechanism problem occurring at the moment. Everything appears normal. List messages both for the pan-user list/group and various other lists/groups I read/post-to via gmane are continuing to appear on the gmane news server as could be expected, so if there's a problem, it was either temporary or I'm otherwise not seeing/aware of it. That said... * The behind the scenes mechanisms by which gmane functions /are/ somewhat complicated, and it isn't uncommon for posts to be delayed for a few hours at one step or another of the process. * Additionally, first-time posters to a particular group/list on gmane go thru at least a gmane verification step (gmane mails the given "from" email address a confirmation which they must reply to before the message is forwarded, this is once per "group" so once you've confirmed to gmane for that group/list and email address, gmane automatically forwards further messages posted from that address to that list without further confirmation needed), and often a separate listserv verification. It's not uncommon for first-time gmane posters to fail to understand that the gmane and possible list confirmations are separate, and to be confused, thinking they've already confirmed when they get the separate confirmation from the mailing list. Meanwhile... * It's entirely possible you had some other context in mind with your "newsgroup" reference, and weren't referring to this list as it appears as a newsgroup on gmane, at all. In that case, some clarification of context may be in order... -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman _______________________________________________ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
