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I'm still here! :) And I 'heard' my nick mentioned! ;) I _was_ wanting to build Pan with the "gtk-on-osx" project run by John Ralls here: <https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show//Projects/GTK+/OSX/> But I have no plans anymore with the fruity systems. A bit of history since my last post here: I am 'stuck' on SnowLeopard/10.6.8 plus all security updates etc. I know I could upgrade to the 10.7.x version, but that would be: (a) detrimental to other projects [e.g. losing Rosetta PPC emulation, and other reasons], (b) the very last version that will officially run on my iMac, [I'm in the same 'pot' as the model "MacPro1,1" towers are in], (c) we've heard/read too many horror stories w/r/t Lion/10.7 itself -- INCLUDING reliance on 'cloudy' things (*ahem*). (Read the archives for this list, I'm sure I've talked about this in recent past, as Duncan mentioned [18 months or so].) Essentially I've long-ago decided to jump off this fruity ship. I cannot in good conscious make the Fruits any richer with my meager funds (I'm [still] on disability/retirement, with all the 'ugliness' that goes with it [I have nearly four-decades work on record BTW]). Again, please seek my posts on the Pan lists to learn why I have come to this decision. So, I [still] intend to go "full F/OSS", having much expertise in building such computer systems (related to my main paid job), both hardware and software/o.s. (My main problem in not fulfilling this: I need $$$s. And I have tons of timer-based schedules: EyeTV, 'cron', etc., that must run on this single/only iMac I do have. It is usually free only between the hours of 2:00am to 6:00am, yep only four hours daily is when I can experiment. <w>) Due to my own updates, mainly Perl from ActiveState.com which I've installed such that almost all system tasks use it rather than the Fruit-provided ones, and other such mods, in order to get ahead of the vendor-provided versions of the open-source components of OSX for security fixes and other reasons, well, I cannot run Fink nor Macports properly if at all. So I've built the entire Glib/GTK+2 trees all by my lonesome, taking into consideration the 'requisites' which I've manually kept track of (via Readmes etc), and rarely I needed to use the OSX/Darwin-specific patches that are/were available from Fink/Macports, and so on. (And I've built many other code trees, for example I can play many video/audio formats with MPlayer, might actually be more than what the official VLC build can do. I can also let MPlayer use the win32 "plugins" for even-more formats. Honest. <w>) But I've been lax since all this was built and last updated, I've left it alone since about 2-years ago or so. I have other GTK+ apps also, such as the tools (all open-source) provided by SiliconDust.com for the HDHomeRun TV tuners I use all the time to archive OTA TV recordings. (I now have well-over 100 HDD volumes in storage; each disk has been the biggest consumer model easily affordable at that time over the past several years; right now I am actually using the Seagate 4TB 5900rpm size, and usually buy a new volume each and every month.) BTW -- even Mozilla has determined 10.6 is still being used more, i.e. "more popular", than any-other versions of OSX, currently. Please read their blog here: <http://armenzg.blogspot.ca/2013/11/re-thinking-our-mac-os-x-continuous.html> or here: <http://oduinn.com/blog/2013/11/21/proposed-changes-to-relengs-osx-build-and-test-infrastructure/> In particular, they publish a little table that shows this: > […] > > 4) Distribution of Firefox users from the most to the least (data from > 15-nov-2013): > 10.6 – 34% > 10.7 – 23% – slightly decreasing > 10.8 – 21% – notably decreasing > 10.9 – 21% – notably increasing > > […] So I'm staying put, until I can finally jump this fruity ship. (this means I won't be able to generate any binaries for others to use) (however, I _do_ strongly wish other vendors would realise to not drop support for 10.6/SL) One final thought here: I might suggest getting Unison from Panic.com, it usually works very well with NNTP servers including Gmane (I do have an official/paid Unison license as a backup.) But if you're 'game', I do like Pan a lot more. FWIW, basically Pan uses the *BSD layer which OSX relies upon (plus the Glib/GTK+/etc layers on top of X11/XQuartz). It's the amount of time needed to build all that code, even with Fink/Macports. Then you'd be 'ready' for other graphical open-source projects. :) I have another thought, but I've not tested this at all: Peek at <http://www.hmug.org/unix.php> and other trees there. Perhaps the binaries from this site can be used, but you would be on your own as far as installing what-all is needed. ;) (I'd rather build my own binaries with the gcc tweaks I've learned) I'll stop here, it's plenty long enough. I hope your eyes are not worn-out now. ;) I'll be around, but I might not be able to answer any real specific questions on OSX or Q's on building any particular projects. Thanks for reading. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSn5DCAAoJEKkeWNKet7+KqZQH/0C6vqKUbDJNNv3NMqb0veR1 b93TvHchhVVnZD3ppZnclZEPul0kTK7OI68ExoTxkzkWEnUj8W5WXePPLe08nAAl 5ldRxQdBTtWDigP+tyUngGIM0MoS+rzKY7o8hzeoJXNLxg3jnWZixrthJrZIg+RE nrxPEW5fkK83zpcLmnLxmwiS8bk4trcKDH9DrWjCHRzgd2wJPd7ftxdf3ScDn4gX rEmFhPt2P+jz6klHTataHppxotQkyJ/oKXkjnQ0siAutH+CUjPw+K+PEVKoMkKF9 tW3toak5HXTPV/IZf4q+nDjcUva2OzTzMordmDeR9Nt5VgaTl75Zw3V7TPFdLQ8= =WgVt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
