Thanks Duncan. I appreciate your efforts on behalf of us Pan users.
-- Alan Meyer amey...@yahoo.com >________________________________ > From: Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> >To: pan-users@nongnu.org >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:19 AM >Subject: Re: [Pan-users] What do the time frames mean on killed authors? > >Alan Meyer posted on Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:03:07 -0700 as excerpted: > >> I'd like to better understand the temporary kill feature. > >I like your questions. They imply some thinking that in turn provokes >some thinking here, trying to answer. =:^) > >> Let's say that it is July 15, 2012. I look at a message dated May 15, >> 2012. I decide that the author is someone I don't want to hear from but >> I'll try him again later, so I kill all messages from that author for >> six months. >> >> My first question is, when is the six months up? Is it six months from >> the day I applied the filter, July 15, or six months from the date of >> the message I was viewing when I applied the filter, May 15? > >Knowing the mechanism by which the ignore/kill feature works helps to >figure out the answers to these questions. > >First of all, in pan an "ignore" aka "kill" is no more and no less than a >score of -9999 or below. (Similarly, a watch is +9999 or above.) >Directly, all you've done is set a rule in pan's scorefile that tells it >to score a particular set of matching posts, matched by from/author line >in this case, in a particular fashion, -9999 in this case. > >Second, what pan does with that score is then controlled by how you have >pan configured. > >Look on the view menu, header pane submenu. Whatever you have set to >match will be shown. If you have it set to match -9999 (aka ignored) >scores, they'll still display, as they will if you have it set to show >matching (sub)threads instead of specific articles and a displayed post >is above it in the subthread (for subthread-display) or anywhere in the >thread (for thread-display). Only if you have it set to specific article- >match display only, or the ignored article happens to be the top of the >(sub)thread, will it not show up. > >Now check pan's prefs, colors tab. There, you can set the score-colors >by numeric score zones corresponding to the same zones available in the >view menu. > >Now, still in pan prefs, if you have a new enough pan (0.136 or newer I >think), check the actions tab (you won't have that tab at all if your pan >is too old). Would you like to have ignored articles automatically >marked-read so they don't show in the unread count? Maybe you want to >have them automatically deleted? This is where you configure that... as >well as automatic caching/downloading of watched (or whatever, set it to >everything above ignored if you like) posts, if you want that. > > >From that explanation, you should begin to have an idea of the answers to >these questions, but I'll answer them anyway. > >If you take a look at the scorefile after you've applied an expiring >score, you'll see it listed in the scorefile with the expiration. Thus, >anything matching that rule has the action applied... until the score >expires. > >Thus the answer to your question above is that any messages that pan >finds that match this person's name, until the rule expires, get assigned >the score of -9999 (ignored). But that score isn't recorded with the >message, just in the scorefile. So it won't (or shouldn't, if it does >there's a bug!) matter whether the message is a decade old or a day >before you added the scoring rule or posted with a fake date 100 years >into the future, it'll still get treated by pan as ignored, but ONLY >until that score expires, at which point it will be scored by whatever >unexpired scores still apply... if the post itself is still around at >that point... it hasn't itself either expired or been deleted (by you, or >by the automatic delete action you might have configured for ignored >posts...). > >> The next question is, are all messages from the user killed for six >> months, even if a date on the message falls on one side or the other of >> the six months time period? Or is it only messages within the time >> period that are rendered invisible? >> >> >> Finally, what happens next? At the end of six months (whenever that is) >> do all messages from that user become visible again, including the ones >> that were previously made invisible? Or is it just the messages posted >> after the get out of jail date that become visible? > >I believe I answered those questions above, as well. What happens to old >posts after the score expires depends on whether the posts are still >around or not. If they are, they'll appear, marked-read or not marked- >read, depending on whether you'd either manually or via automatic action >marked them read. > >New posts by that person will of course show up now as if the score had >never been, since it's expired now, and will be subject to any unexpired >rules just like any other post. > >-- >Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. >"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- >and if you use the program, he is your master." 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