Maurice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:01:27 +0100:
> On Thursday 14 August 2008 23:52:06 Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> keep in mind that new Pan does *not* save copies of your sent posts. > > Does anyone know of a newsreader that does not throw away ones own > postings and others' postings that you have deliberately kept for > future use? Steven's assertion about new-pan is correct -- and isn't correct, depending on the viewpoint. Let's see if I can clarify... The correct bit is that new-pan (unlike old-pan) doesn't save off your own posts before they are sent. If they don't show up on the server, that therefore means you don't have a copy of them. However, once they get to the server, unlike old-pan [see below 1], new- pan treats them like any other message. You download them like you would any other message, and they expire like any other message. That means that if you set do-not-expire, all downloaded messages including your own... don't expire. You then delete messages if you like, and keep messages if you like. If you want to keep all your own messages as downloaded, just the same as if you want to keep anyone /else's/ messages as downloaded, there's nothing stopping you from doing so, other than disk space, as long as you have no-expire set, and a sufficiently large cache set. [1] One of the problems with old-pan turned out to be that for your own messages, you /always/ saw the copy of the message pan saved as you sent it. Old-pan simply didn't download your messages, since it already had a copy. It would always display the copy it had, and there was no way to see the message as the server got it and served it to others. There was thus no way (using pan) to catch an upload-corrupted post, since the view the poster got was always the pre-send view. Additionally, there was no way to see what additional headers the server might be adding, since old- pan always displayed the pre-send message. Obviously, this presented problems of its own. With new-pan, while you don't [automatically, see below 2] get a pre-send copy of everything you post, you get a copy of your own posts along with everything else when you download. You therefore get a copy of the post as everyone else downloading from that server gets it, including any corruption or server- added headers. What you do with the post after you download it is then left up to you. [2] Meanwhile, if you DO want to save off a copy of the message pre-send, new-pan has a new pair of features, the save-draft and open-draft features. As with the draft feature in most other programs, it allows you to save a working copy, shutdown pan or do whatever, then come back to it later, opening the draft to send or continue working on. The draft feature simply works as a pre-send file-save/file-open option. It opens the file-dialog and allows you to browse the filesystem, saving/ opening a file from anywhere your user has access to. While it opens in a subdir of pan's working dir (~/.pan2 by default, article-drafts being the subdir), you can browse the filesystem and open/save a file anywhere you normally could. Unlike some draft implementations I've seen, opening the draft does NOT delete the file off of disk. It's thus possible to save any posts you'd like to, pre-send, by using the save-draft function, then sending it as usual. It's just not automated, as it only saves the ones you tell it to. It'd be nice to have an option to automate the process so it saved a pre- send copy of every post you sent, automatically, and perhaps that'll be a future feature. However, it doesn't have the automated pre-send save option presently. Meanwhile, new-pan doesn't treat your own posts differently than any others when downloaded (except that you have the match only my articles option under the view, header pane menu, if you want to use it), so if you have set no-expire and have a large enough cache set so it's not deleting posts (bodies) due to that, and you aren't deliberately deleting your posts, you'll have copies of them as they appeared on the server, thus giving you the choice of having pre-send (using the draft feature) or post-download copies of your posts, as you wish. Hope that clarifies things. Perhaps with said clarification, new-pan will fill your needs after all. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman _______________________________________________ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users