Vitaly Samourov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Tue, 01 May 2007 00:28:40 +0400:
> I have tested this (group preferences -> koi-8r), but it does not help. As I said, I have little knowledge of i18n (internationalization, i, 18 letters, n, in this case, as related to charsets), so can't directly help with that. > Could the problem be here? -> Thunderbird uses my smtp server for > outgoing posts, but Pan allows sending only via news server (Am I > correct?) > > Maybe news server does a MIME re-encoding? I don't fully understand fidonet or other moderated newsgroups either, in part because I've not had to deal with such groups very often, so have never /had/ to understand them in ordered to troubleshoot. If it didn't work, I just skipped it and went elsewhere. However, that said, here's how I understand them to work, but perhaps you know this and more and should be explaining things to me? Moderated newsgroups (including fidonet groups as gated to USENET), unlike other newsgroups, don't immediately make available posts to them. Posts must instead be forwarded (via mail) to the official group moderator, who then either approves or rejects the post. If it's approved, it's reposted to the newsgroup with a header indicating approval. (It is said that one notorious moderated hacker group was in fact specifically setup with a fake moderator, the idea being that those who knew enough to be able to correctly fake the approved header were by definition qualified to post. Now days, I understand most moderated groups use key-signed approvals, making faking the approval rather more difficult.) Thus, while a properly configured on the server moderated group should allow posting, but then forward them to the moderator (via mail) rather than making them directly available in the group as usual, it's also possible for a news client, given the proper information about the group, to mail the moderator directly, bypassing the news server, so while the server is used to download messages, they are posted via mail instead. AFAIK you are correct, pan doesn't do this by default (maybe thunderbird does, I wouldn't know, nor would I know if additional information is necessary for it to do so if it does). However, pan CAN use your mailer to reply via mail as well or instead of replying via group. This is normally used to send a reply directly to the poster (via mail) as well as to the group, but it can be used to send the reply anywhere via mail, including to the group moderator directly if you have the address available to put in. Simply put an email address in the mailto header, deleting anything in the newsgroups header, and pan will then hand off to your regular mailer (or whatever you have pan configured to use for mail, it must handle mailto: protocol however, some don't) for processing. Here, my configured mailer is kmail (pan is set to use the KDE default, which is kmail in my configuration), which is setup to add its own sig and etc. Thus, unless I intervene when the message pops up in kmail before it's sent from there, anything pan forwards via mail gets two sigs, the pan sig and the kmail sig, and is sent from kmail's default address (which is not the one I use for news), so I must remember to change it in the mailer before I tell it to send. As for fidonet, they are their own network that AFAIK predated or at least grew up in parallel to USENET. As such, they must be gateway-ed to USENET, and what you see in pan when you see a fidonet group is the gateway-ed fidonet group. As gateway-ed newsgroups, fidonet groups appear as moderated groups. However, I /believe/ they are in some ways easier to automate than regular moderated newsgroups, in that a single moderator normally covers a whole segment of fidonet. Thus, it's relatively ease for a news client such as thunderbird that does mail as well, to be configured to direct-mail the moderator, instead of posting to the moderated group on the server and hoping the server is configured properly to forward the message from there. Regardless, pan doesn't pretend to be a mail client, only a news client, so it hands mail off to your mailer as explained above. This will by definition make it harder to automate such read-via-news-post-via-mail things, and at present, pan doesn't do it. You either send to the newsgroup and hope the server is configured correctly to forward to the moderator, or you send the reply via mail and manually put in the moderator's address. That bypasses the news server, but course you must know the moderator's address in ordered to do it, and it'd be a hassle to do in any sort of volume. However, if you are active in a lot of fidonet groups, it would perhaps be better to use them directly, rather than trying to gateway thru usenet. As I said, however, I know little about fidonet, so just how to do that is as they say, "left as an exercise for the reader." <g> -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman _______________________________________________ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
