Lynda Metref posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:33:24 +0800:
> I use pan to read mailing lists through Gmane. Gmane Has a spam filter > that cross-post the spam to gmane.spam.detected. Thus I like to have a > filter reading the Xref header and don't show nor download the message > containing "gmane.spam.detected" in it. How can I do this > with Pan? Does someone know a better solution? As you, I'm a gmane user on PAN. Unfortunately, I've not figured out how to make such scoring/filtering work. (Fortunately, there's little enough spam in the gmane groups/lists I visit that it's not that big a deal. It'a s bigger deal in some of my non-gmane groups.) PAN's scoring/filtering is /extremely/ limited, relatively speaking. First, it only works on the headers normally available in an overview, so even if one were willing to download and score/filter only what one saw, rather than what one downloaded, as would be necessary to work with the body or non-overview headers, it's simply impossible, as PAN is currently coded. I've previously made the case that even if the message has to be downloaded in ordered to apply the action, it's still far and away better than forcing the user to actually view the downloaded message and apply the score/filtering manually, which is where we're at presently. I asked Charles about it, however, and he said while he recognized that as the case, adding the ability to score/filter on data only available after download wasn't a priority for him, and was targeted at "bluesky", which means it'd be nice to have, but no plans to add it currently or in the predicted future. Of course, that's subject to change if a coder is sufficiently interested in a feature to code it up and provide patches, but unfortunately, I'm not a coder, so here we sit. Actually, that was some time ago, as well. It was before PAN even added scoring -- only filtering was available -- but when scoring was added, it worked on the same overview-only data as filters had. While scoring is cool and all, personally, I'd have FAR rather had full-post filtering available, than scoring, but I'm not the one coding, so I'm not the one setting the priorities. Of course, that was before what effectively became a two-year break in coding virtually /anything/ with PAN. Again, I'm not the one coding, and PAN is something Charles does as a hobby in his free time, so if he's simply had other stuff to do for a few years, I certainly won't contemn him for it. After all, he's done his part -- the code is out there for anyone wanting to run with it. (FWIW, I believe the money in the paypal tipjar has been less than $100, total, tho that might be a bit off if there have been many or large donations, recently, certainly nothing a coder could live on in any case.) Anyway, the memory issues on large groups and backend changes ultimately leading to the planned switch to SQLite, which will open up a whole new array in possibilities in terms of automated multi-server use and tracking, which is the development area being worked on now, is /just/ as useful. I just would have implemented /some/ form of whole-post filterability, had I been doing it, before I bothered with scoring, but that's just me, and I'm not able to submit the code to do it, so... Second, even on stuff available in the overview, as the xref header should be, the possible filtering isn't all that great. While there's an ability to apply a created filter to specific newsgroups, which could be acting on this header, it doesn't seem to. Rather, it appears to only apply to the group PAN is displaying at the moment. I've not been able to get PAN to successfully score/filter on the xref header contents, even when I manually add a properly formatted entry to the score file. ... One thing that /might/ work, which I have /not/ tried, so I don't know, would be to subscribe to gmane.spam.detected, and make a point of always loading it first. If you set the scoring and filters to ignore everything in that group, marking read or deleting (it's possible it'll work with mark-read but not with delete, due to cross-group dynamics), then load your regular group, PAN may continue to honor the scores in other groups. Obviously, this would only work on gmane (tho a similar strategy could be used on servers that carry a control.cancel group and don't actually honor cancels), and involves a manual step, so it's only worth the trouble if the problem gets big enough. As I said, the problem hasn't been a big one on my gmane groups, so I haven't bothered trying this, yet. If you do, please reply with the results, so I know. (The above assumes you have an appropriate mark-read and/or delete filter that can be applied to the score. I've posted step-by-step guides to that in the past. If you missed them and have trouble figuring it out yourself, post a reply saying you need help with it, and I'll comply, but no need to repeat it here if you already know how or find the process of setting up such a thing intuitive.) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html _______________________________________________ Pan-users mailing list Pan-users@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/pan-users
