ok, doubel parity might be a reason, but on the rpool? I only have
the OS installation on rpool, on systems with bigger rpools, there
might be /opt in the rpool as well. It is only a few thing written
to rpool, e.g. logs etc. User-date belongs in a diffrent place e.g.
nfs or local whatever redundant level of storage. But terrabytes
or rpool do sound a bit surprising for me. For instance, on file-
servers a 16GB compact flash or sd-card is plenty of storage and
fine, but that varies with what one wants to have in the rpool
And yes, I do need a bit more than the proposed 5 minutes, my mostly
USB2 USB-sticks aren't that fast and network speed is limited some-
where in between as well:)
regs, Rolf
Quoting Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss
<[email protected]>:
Simple. I wanted double parity for rpool but only single parity for
spool, my scratch space. That allowed more space for spool. The
benefit was 2.3 TB for rpool and 4.2 TB for spool. An extra 1.4 TB
of scratch space.
I'm a former reflection seismic research scientist/programmer. Many
times I have come to work only to find that the overnight job had
failed because I filled my dedicated 2 TB RAID filesystem in
2006-2007. Seismic eats space like people eat popcorn. I was
creating models of the rock properties in the GoM, 600 miles EW, 300
miles NS 6 miles deep sampled at 25 m horizontally and 200 ft
vertically. This was a 9 month project with a brick wall deadline
set by the Dept of Interior Minerals Management Services lease
deadline. All cobbled together on the fly. There were about a dozen
or so physical attributes for which I constructed those massive
models.
My redline for a job is "runs overnight". Things get hairy when you
are looking at 1-2 week runtimes. Which are the norm for 3D seismic
processing image formation runs. 50,000 cores in the cluster for the
job.
zpool status
pool: rpool
state: ONLINE
scan: scrub repaired 0B in 0 days 00:32:35 with 0 errors on Fri Jun
20 16:35:03 2025
config:
NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM
rpool ONLINE 0 0 0
raidz2-0 ONLINE 0 0 0
c0t5000039A7B78030Fd0s1 ONLINE 0 0 0
c0t5000039A7B7002F3d0s1 ONLINE 0 0 0
c0t5000039A7B700306d0s1 ONLINE 0 0 0
c0t5000039A7B700305d0s1 ONLINE 0 0 0
cache
c5t001B448B48E32A6Dd0s0 ONLINE 0 0 0
errors: No known data errors
pool: spool
state: ONLINE
scan: scrub repaired 0B in 0 days 00:01:16 with 0 errors on Fri Jun
20 16:03:58 2025
config:
NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM
spool ONLINE 0 0 0
raidz1-0 ONLINE 0 0 0
c0t5000039A7B78030Fd0s3 ONLINE 0 0 0
c0t5000039A7B7002F3d0s3 ONLINE 0 0 0
c0t5000039A7B700306d0s3 ONLINE 0 0 0
c0t5000039A7B700305d0s3 ONLINE 0 0 0
cache
c5t001B448B48E32A6Dd0s1 ONLINE 0 0 0
errors: No known data errors
Have fun!
Reg
On Sunday, August 17, 2025 at 01:25:02 PM CDT, Rolf M. Dietze
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi there,
well, I must admit, I am a bit dazzled by your installation
problmes as since I read this post of yours on a freshly
installed OpenIndiana box. What am I mising. Hardware is a
Dell lOptiplex 9020 that prtdiag lists as:
System Configuration: Dell Inc. OptiPlex 9020
BIOS Configuration: Dell Inc. A25 05/30/2019
==== Processor Sockets ====================================
Version Location Tag
-------------------------------- --------------------------
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590 CPU @ 3.30GHz SOCKET 0
==== Memory Device Sockets ================================
Type Status Set Device Locator Bank Locator
----------- ------ --- ------------------- ----------------
DDR3 in use 0 DIMM3
DDR3 in use 0 DIMM1
DDR3 in use 0 DIMM4
DDR3 in use 0 DIMM2
==== On-Board Devices =====================================
"Intel HD Graphics"
NETWORK_NAME_STRING
==== Upgradeable Slots ====================================
ID Status Type Description
--- --------- ---------------- ----------------------------
1 available PCI Exp. Gen 3 x16 X16
2 in use PCI Exp. Gen 2 x1 X1
3 available PCI PCI
4 available PCI Exp. Gen 2 x4 X4
well ok, it is a cheap all purpose business desktop system
with internal IntelHD some 32G Ram an a quad core [email protected]
not that sophisticated, but it runs well. It has 2 internal
SSDs used as a mirrored rpool, $HOMEs are supplied via NFS
from a Dell PowerEdge R720 (Openindiana as well) with two
SSDs for rpool mirror and 16 disks set up as raidz3. I had
to flash the controler so that I can use zfs insted of the
Dell internal what ever raid. If you count the number of
disks, well, I removed the dvd rom and tape and did put the
SSDs there.
For software side, I threw away the mate stuff, cause I
personally don' t like it, I went with xdm as login manager
and whatever flavor of twm, fvwm etc. There is a decent firefox
runnig thanks to Carsten. This was important cause we run a
lot of web based applications here. I added gcc4, gfortran
and gnu-ada as packages from opencsw, as well as texlive,
xfig, xpdf etc from other sources. It took about 2 hours or
so, to set the box up. Mostly I use the tet installer, time
to time I start up the gui-installer for installations,
which is slower.
I must admit, I just used the supplied installer, clicked
thru it to install the os on one disk and set up the rest
later on by script. Most things I took from the package
server of Openindiana, I don't even have to create a manifest
for xdm any more as it is supplied by now. It was just plain
sailing going through the installer supplied.
As I understood, you partitioned all of your 4 disks to have 2
partitions per disk and creating one zpool with 4 partitions
across all 4 disks and a second zpool set up by the other
partitions across all 4 physical disks
I am a bit puzzled as of what advantage you do expect? As
since if one disk fails, it is 2 pools being affected, if 2
disks do fail, the box is gone. Having rotating harddisks
partitioned and the partitions in different pools, the pools
limit one to the other in performance, having the disks heads
jump around and of course, zfs disables the disk cache as
in those configs as well. I wonder what benefits are left
that I would imagine to be that interesting to accept this
rather slow and low redundant configuration.
Perhaps you tell a bit more on why this setup is preferred
since well, why not put 2 rather small disks in an rpool
mirror and if space is an issue, add an external diskarray
but I guess, experimenting an a fileserver, aka need for
lots of diskspace might not be an issue.
Even with the SmartOS virtualizers I run, I boot them off
a USB stick (not by net as supported) and have the zones
running on the boxes internal disks in some kind of raidz
config. If the USB stick fails, the virtualizers fall back
to net boot. In fact somthing like auto client (a Sun product
some times back) would be nice:)
As said, I am a bit puzzled about your config. Please explain
regards, Rolf
Quoting Reginald Beardsley via openindiana-discuss
<[email protected]>:
I should like note that my battle with the installation process left
me so dispirited that I didn't actually bring the system online and
migrate onto it for over 2 years and was hobbling along on a Debian
10 system I built just to provide remote support to a friend. When
Firefox started crashing constantly I finally started the move,
though I still have a lot of files to move so I can permanently
shutdown some of my systems.
In my case I was building out a Z840 with space for 4x 4 TB HDs. I
wanted a RAIDZ2 rpool and a RAIDZ1 scratch pool. That meant i *HAD*
to make 2 slices on each drive. At the time I had 30+ years of
experience as a sys admin. 2-3 years of VMS on a mIcroVAX II "world
box" followed by years of Unix workstations of many flavors. I
presume setting up a new system will take several days. Several
weeks was a bit much.
I've never lost a battle with a computer, but that ordeal left less
than eager to fight them. Especially poorly conceived and maintained
installers such as the current OI installer.
Why is "Install to existing partition" not given as a option in the
installer? Desktop icons with no broken links is a huge FAIL. I know
some have been fixed, but IIRC when I tried the current installer on
a test system there were still icons with broken links. Fortunately,
"pkg update" worked well. If it had not I might well have abandoned
OI entirely and simply gone to S10_u8 in an air gapped environment.
Before an installation disk image is created "SOMEONE* needs to test
it with a moderately complex configuration. Assume the user is a
competent admin. There should be no missing pieces. Ideally several
people should do it on different HW. I have several Z400s which are
set up to allow me to swap disks. I keep all my old disks just for
install testing. In the IDE drive case I have ~2 dozen old disks in
trays, but am no longer running any IDE systems. With a 3 disk
trayless SATA bay in a Z400 I can do reasonably complex setups. And
I have a talent for breaking installers.
If I am given reasonable notice I should be able to do a test
install or two of varying complexity each time a new LiveCD image is
ready for release.
If someone at my skill level has a problem with the install process
it is *badly* broken. The OI install process does not compare well
to Debian or any other distro. Someone with 20 years of Linux
experience is not likely to get a good impression of OI when they
hit broken desktop icons.
Sadly, McNealy et al gave themselves such a lavish change of control
packages that IBM backed out and Oracle bought Sun instead. Having
built AIX to compete with SunOS IBM would not have abandoned it as
Oracle has. Suffice to say early AIX was less than robust. Not sure
about now as I've been far away from AIX for over 20 years. The
reason Linux is now dominant in several use contexts is the billion
dollars IBM committed to enhancements to Linux.
Have Fun!
Reg
On Friday, August 15, 2025 at 09:10:34 PM CDT, Atiq Rahman
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Till,
Thanks for the reply.
I am not aware on the non-CSM UEFI issue
For me, this has been an issue. At present, the OI installer does not
present an option to install in UEFI system without dedicating a whole disk
to it.
As a workaround, I am choosing *Install_to_ExistingPool* by pressing F5. If
you are following mailing lists you're probably seeing I am reinventing the
wheel: manually taking care of stuff the installer is not doing when that
option is chosen.
New users might not have that much energy to go through all that to add an
OS (or they might call it distro) to their portable device.
[snip]
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