Hi I am forwarding to the list Martin's response to my letter on the list. I had no intention of doing anything bad by putting Martin to the subject.
Marting blames me for inability to post to OI mailing lists and was putting my name to blame on it's site, but I am not one who blocked Martin from expressing on this list. I think that banning and filtering of anyone on public mailing list is a bad thing and blocking should be revoked. I suggest that Martin's access to oi-dev mailing list is restored so he could be doing technical contribution he is promising, that I still believe could easily be done and that OI could be benefiting from. Being part of the community is strong need and I think that technical people like Marting should have a chance to contribute and that be given a chance to be treated fairly. Down this post, I put Martin's integral response as requested, because I believe in freedom on Internet to response and that Martin's letter have many technical info related to IPS and OI and IS on topic on this list. If all goes well we will have valuable contributor back to the community. Especially take notice to "@@@@@" part where Martin is promising releasing he's distribution source code and inclusion in development together with OI and illumos, it is worth trying to work out. Here goes Martin's response: On 4/6/15, Nikola M <[email protected]> wrote: > On 04/ 3/15 03:48 AM, Martin Bochnig via openindiana-discuss wrote: >> >> Actually I didn't want to reply to these jokes, but as April 1st is >> already over, I am probably forced to correct a few of your phantasies, >> for the "newcomers" as you call me, or at least for the records. >> Therefore I re-subscribed for this clarification. Maybe for submitting >> diffs? No, bad luck. The social structures of this vibrant OI community >> are neither vibrant nor community-like. > Please stop advertizing your subscriptioin or unsubscription. > It's antisocial and harming of community of OI. (And trolling) > Saying bad words on community that is supposed to hear you is not > helping your image. > > For quickly re-building your image it's enough just to start developing > everything in open (like OI always does). > Exchanging source between distributions it only a good thing for everyone. > > Copyleft licenses require releasing of sources and changes together > with binaries, so everyone can build it. > > Some things you should consider instead of continuing to blackmail me with such always the same offending messages (this year even with the taboo of having put my name into the subject line) - probably having the single motivation to grab what you need and somehow plug it into OI, as good as you quickly can, letting OpenSXCE die, and me with it, who of you cares?? Is that the goal of true "community"-"collaboration"? Back in late 2012 I had naively, honestly and with the truly best intentions approached the Illumos community plus separately the OI community in a friend's manner, with the proposal of publishing what I so far had developed back then (and now in addition also everything until now), fully open, inter-distro co-operation with OI (later DilOS) and the kernel folks from illumos.org, mailing lists, bug-tracker, the possibility for everybody to join and contribute: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A potential new Illumos reference distro candidate: IA32, AMD64, sun4u, sun4v http://openindiana.org/pipermail/openindiana-discuss/2012-December/010921.html However, what was the response? Laughter, silly comments about SPARC being old crap for hoppy-users, remarks that distro-creation is too trivial for the heroic kernel folks from illumos.org to be interesting (even to just check some facts, or try to build a distro from scratch themselves) Once or so per year I complained about the lack of taking just only the time to read what I wrote: INTEL, IA32, i80686, AMD64 *is* *well* *supported* by OpenSXCE: Some run it on theit Netbook! - OR: The ability to read a text and absorb information http://developer.illumos.narkive.com/TaRAfffm/intel-ia32-i80686-amd64-is-well-supported-by-opensxce-some-run-it-on-theit-netbook-or-the-ability Here the parts I have to offer, developed in years without income, which brough me without exaggeration 100k++ of $DEBTS$ at my family (no bank would give me any loan, no way)!!! * Illumos based SPARC distro port * Intel-gfx DRM/GEM/KMS port to Illumos x86/x64, now up-rev'ed with what Alan Coopersmith thankfully recently published (and related software that needs to be updated, too, inoder for this newer DRM kernel driver to link and attach etc etc etc, maybe you know what I me * Firefox 38 port to Illumos x86 and SPARC, compiled with gcc, even with the ability to flawlessly run all Flash-plugin revisions, even though compiled with gcc! * Thunderbird 38.0b1 (gcc compiled by myself) * Illumos kernel fix to prevent the same Flash plugins from crashing in all newer FF versions (based on plugin-container), no matter if built with Studio (as provided by Sun/Oracle and only re-distributed in OI and Hipster) or gcc, although few appear to have found out how to succeeed with any self-building of FF, no matter if with gcc, Studio, Oracle's diffs, NetBSD's diffs or any combination. And nobody published these secrets, but from me you DEMAND them, while otherwise insulting me on public lists and threatening me to contact Mozilla in relation to their licensing rules valid in a country, which cares a shit about privacy, licenses, international law, innocent lives and so on: the USA! Sun/Oracle btw. posts and updates the FF31 ESR bins for monts now, while being a huge commercial corporation, owned by one of the richest oligarchs (such billionaires are only called "oligarch" by our wonderful western MSM, if they are "Putin's friend" and if it somhow fits the narrative of US-exceptionalism) yet when I last looked the most recent Studio patches available from Oracle were still for the older FF24 ESR, also partially broken on Illumos's include files, although that's of course not Sun/Oracle's fault. * How to get the last September 2012 slim_install bits working on Illumos based distros (without croinfo and without lots of other missing parts, mostly python modules). * FullyOpenX backport of newer revs to the good old framework of having X11 in /usr/X11, ISA related subdir separation of IA32 versus amd64, best compromise of xaa and umx based ddx's, keeping the matrix of native hardware support the widest technically possible (xaa versus uxa, many older ddx'es were not ported to uxa, yet newer Xorg servers than 1.12.x no longer support xaa accelerated ddx's) * my additions to make openXsun actually work (without Sun's libXfont, which is closed src and could not be opened) * various secrets to get the Sun provided binary redistributable Xsun ddx'es actually functioning on Illumos derived kernels. * my revival of SVR4 itself, which took me MONTHS (literally!) to hand-edit them, only based on references to old SXCE snv_130. Of course I could not copy and paste anything, and therefore did not even try that for local use. I also did not want to auto-generate them from IPS manifests, because in snv_133 Sun/Oracle had completely messed with some important packages, that had been separate core packages for decades, but since snv_134 are now glued together to larger cluster packages. Therfore - with my goal to sincerely rescue SVR4 pkgadd, it took me hundreds if not thousands of hours to manually create the OS/Net pkgdefs, only based on find, grep, vi operating over Illumos' proto area on my Celeron and SPARC machines. Sorry for this short explanation, the old one was on my blog. Of course I would be glad to contribute these pkgdefs into Illumos, which can peacefully co-exists with IPS manifests: IPS lives in usr/src/pkg, and SVR4 still in usr/src/pkgdefs. A plain nightly option would suffice to switch between the two. Or inside bldenv you could simply go there and run "make install", to generate the packages. * Grub 2 working and booting EFI * libdiskmgt.so.1 fix * OpenOffice and LibreOffice x86/x64 and SPARC * Experience in building Qemu (initial Solaris Hosts port in 2007 co-authored), Xen, VirtualBox, vlc, QT4.8, JDS/Gnome-gate with pkgbuild, X11, G11n etc ... (Only a few) more details can be found in the README: http://svr4.opensxce.org/RELEASE_NOTES__OpenSXCE2014.05_x86_x64_INTEL32-64_AMD32-64____sun4u_sun4v_SPARC.txt /* @@@@@ @@@@@ Here the TODO list for _you_, if you want to stop me from simply putting opensxce.org offline and working as a well-paid locomotive driver, leaving Solaris and the entire pain behind me forever, while keeping the src here or maybe even freeing my hdd's from all OpenSolaris related archives I ever created. Maybe some folks have no real picture how much time, space, workkkkkkkkkkkkk, coffee etc. is involved. It is not a joke: I seriously consider starting a better happier life, by removing Solaris-distro-development from my daily list of problems I want to solve. If you want any src from me, here are my "conditions" : * The illumos community which found it necessary to ban me from their mailings lists in 2013 because of their so called "no kveching rule", which was not even in place until _after_ they had deleted my account, needs to apologize and fully re-habilitate me. * Garret D'Amore needs to apologize for his rant against me when he asked me on a public list "Didn't you take your meds today?" and when he also ridiculed my software development skills. * I would be willing to fully sync OpenSXCE with hipster (as SVR4 counterpart), if OpenSXCE would get publishing help from Illumos itself: Mailing list, wiki, OI and OpenSXCE's docs could be directly crosslinked. * Illumos needs to recognize OpenSXCE as (not the only one, but one of the others and me) official Illumos projects and offcially supported distros @@@@@ @@@@@ */ In that case, yes. Otherwise: $$$ as locomotive driver. Yes - I studied Mathematics at Technical University of Berlin, although I didn't finish it due to guess what: OpenSXCE, also due to my temporary migration to Ukraine. But I found out: life is too short for being a scientist, as I always wanted to when I was young (before OpenSolaris was unleashed on 20050614). Now I'm old, poor and fat. And honstly - I want to have $$$ for not doing much, which is the opposite of what OpenSolaris brought me. So: Solely if my fair expectations are being respected and met, I'm willing to continue this trouble. If you want the src, if you want the SPARC port, if you want X11 on SPARC, if you want FF38 and Flash, if you want an EFI aware gui-install etc etc etc: I think my expectations as outlined above are fair and modest. Otherwise: have a nice time. But without OpenSXCE and without anything from it. What do you propose? That I just upload everything to OpenSXCE.org and given that I have no list mebership at Illumos, that you or somebody with Illumos-Devel list membership and enough access permission commits those things mentioned that relate to Illumos OS/Net directly, the rest to OI/Hipster? Reminder: It's not me who is the bad guy here, unwilling evil and egoistic or whatever folks are blaming me for, but the way how "thankful" Illumos has proven to be, considering my enthusiasm and dedication for Solaris. Another factor are end-users. While OpenSXCE.org does have a larger than expected user base (judging from the number of downloads and repo access), and some of them in fact donated and/or spoke out for me, the majority stayed anonymous and quiet. The more so it was hurting to see others, who found it necessary to thank me for it by spreading complaints, flames and bad rumors about me, in mailing lists, irc and newsgroups. Or somebody who in 2012 asked me here on OI: Yes, please please craete a SPARC-OI. But when I chose SVR4 pkgadd over IPS and renamed it back to MartUX based OpenSXCE, they never again showed up, never agin spoke out for me or OpenSXCE, and not even took the time to forward fresh OI subscribers to OpenSXCE.org, in case of those newcomers who asked about SPARC-support. Summary: Lots of lots of tons of tons of tons of hairy UNPAID work, and as "thank You" a few ass-kicks on to of that. And if I dared to complain: "Martin, you are an egoist". Abd if I desparately asked for some small bits of survival help to get enough $$$ to pay the electricity bill let alone the rent for this small room: "Martin, you are yourself a capitalist!". What a shit! Ok, you should know now what needs to be done to rescue my contributions as src for the OI- and wider OpenSolaris communities. Otherwise: Not my bad ... And last but not least: Bad style! If you want contributions from me for use in OpenIndiana/Hipster, ok, why not. Hipster is certainly impressive, and I regret all who worked on it for not getting paid for their work. IPS has things which I hate, but on the other hand also an undoubted number of benefits over "dumb" packaging systems such as SVR4 pkgadd plus pkgutil.net as its smart pkg-manager. IPS is way cleaner in many regards (while this also brings limits, limitations and administrators have no freedom under IPS to make certain decisions, get forced by IPS, also we as Distro-maintainers). I appreciate the good sides of IPS, too. But why didn't you nor anybody of them contact me openly and honestly, asking me if I would want to join OpenIndiana/Hipster? Why this nonsense instead with your copyleft license and all that? It would probably be possible to maintain OpenSXCE and OI peacefully together, the former with SVR4, the latter with IPS. As always: Written in a plain text-Editor without spell-checker, then pasted into webmail. I hope this time there will be fewer spelling errors in it, but after a long night I don't really want to re-read it for errors. But honestly: It brought me nothing but poverty - no respect, no career, no thanks. My question: FOR WHAT? _______________________________________________ openindiana-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
