At this point in the discussion, I think it'd be nice to hear from one
or more of the OI devs.
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finid
On 2013-05-18 19:43, [email protected] wrote:
On May 18, 2013, at 8:34 AM, Volker A. Brandt wrote:
Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz writes:
Illumos isn't like Linux. Linux already has a very large user base,
while Illumos have a very small user base. For Linux, it's not a
real problem having some number of different distributions. About
Illumus, maybe it should be better to add common efforts to increase
the user base before each company having it's own distro.
At our organisation, I'd like to use a distribution coming or from
some community (as debian or openindiana) or coming from some quite
solid organisation (as Fedora come from RedHat).
IMHO, it could be better if people from these many different
distributions could work together to create a distribution people
could really believe in its medium/long term future.
You are completely correct. I fully agree.
I wish Gabriele had spent all this work on OpenIndiana, maybe
offering
a light weight WM and whatever else Sonicle needs als an extra
package.
I wish Martin had done his absolutely amazing work in a more
cooperative
and open fashion.
The problem here is that too many people want to many different
things.
So far, nobody is willing to give in and agree to a common
denominator.
Fortunately, at least Illumos is still the basis of all these
distributions, and it is a very solid one.
Best regards -- Volker A. Brandt
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I don't agree.
I like Open Indiana a LOT. I like most of the developers and most of
the other people on this mailing list. I have benefitted from their
help enormously, and I appreciate their help and their efforts
immensely -- far more than words can adequately express. But if the
people at Sonicle want to start their own distribution, I welcome that
whole heartedly.
As much as I hate to say it, I see Open Indiana as a sick puppy dying
a long, slow, lingering death.
While it has some significant strengths, it also has some significant
problems, among which is the fact that it has no leadership, and no
organizational structure.
Go back and look at the dev archives. Start around September of last
year, when Alasdair resigned.
The response among the devs can be summed up as, "We don't need a
leader, and we don't want a leader."
Last December, some corporation, I think, approached the Illumos
Foundation wanting to donate to Open Indiana. Look at the devs'
response to that, too. It wasn't very good. And others this year
have offered to donate or pay for work to be done that they wanted,
but unless things have changed that I'm not aware of, there's no way
to contribute to Open Indiana.
Of course, not all people are motivated by money. And our devs don't
appear to be. That's not necessarily bad, though.
Further, the amount of petty bickering on the dev list is enough to
discourage even the most stout-hearted person from wanting to
contribute to it. Somebody a few months ago offered a small piece of
work for a code review, and he got hit with somewhere around 20-30
messages (if I remember correctly) bickering about what compiler he
should use...
And Sonicle is right in saying that Open Indiana does seem to have a
lot of complexity that probably could be simplified immensely.
I've heard many people say on this list that "we need a corporate
sponsor". Well, that simply cannot happen with OI in it's current
condition. Sonicle, as a corporation, has either overcome, or should
be able to side-step, most of these problems OI faces. My big
question is, whether they really have the resources to do this. Their
website shows big, impressive buildings, but I think I picked up on
Gabriele saying "both of us" have such and such expertise...
Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I'm not going to take the time to go
through all his posts again.
But in any case, if Sonicle wants to make their own distro, maybe it
might actually grow enough to be a viable replacement to OI before OI
finally does die.
Within the Linux world, there have been many distributions that have
come and gone, only to be replaced by others -- some better, some not.
Again, I offer my greatest and warmest thanks to all of the OI devs
and everyone else who has helped me on this list. Unfortunately,
though, this is how I see the health of OI.
I, personally, will miss OpenIndiana, if and when it does die. But I
hope that if or when that day comes, there will be a viable
replacement for it.
Cordially,
Peter, hieromonk
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