On 2013-04-21 06:13, Richard Elling wrote:
Terminology warning below…


BER is the term most often used in networks, where the corruption is transient. 
For permanent
data faults, the equivalent is unrecoverable read error rate (UER), also 
expressed as a failure rate
per bit. ...

Well, with computers being networks of smaller components, beside the
UER "contained" only in the storage device as repeatably returning the
error (or rather a response different from stored and expected value),
there is a place for BER concept as you say it is - there are cables
and soldered signal lines which can catch noise, there are protocols
and firmwares which might mistreat some corner cases, etc. - providing
intermittent errors which are not there the second time you look.

Even UERs might not be persistent, if the HDD decides to relocate a
detected-failing sector into spare areas, and returns some consistent
replies to queries afterwards (I did have cases with old HDDs that
did creak and rattle for a while and returned some bytes when querying
bad sectors, and replies were different every time or IO errors were
returned at the protocol layer instead of random garbage as data).

The trend seems to be that BER data is not shown for laptop drives, which is a 
large part of
the HDD market. Presumably, this is because the load/unload failure mode 
dominates in
this use case as the drives are not continuously spinning. It is a good idea to 
use components
in the environment for which they are designed, so I'm pretty sure you'd never 
consider using
a laptop drive for a storage array.

This brings up an interesting question for home-NAS users: it does not
seem unreasonable to use a laptop drive or two as an rpool in an array
like the popular ZFS workhorse HP N40L. I agree that it seems improper
to build an array for *intensive* IO with an horde of such disks, but
do you have statistics to really discourage these two cases (rpool and
intensive IO)? What about home-NASes which just occasionally see some
IO, maybe in intensive bursts, but idle for hours otherwise?

Indeed, many portable-disk boxes contain a laptop drive. Arguably, they
might also be more reliable mechanically, because intended for use in
shaky environments.

Thanks,
//Jim


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