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On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:36 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Send OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OpenIndiana-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Replacing both disks in a mirror set (Andrej Javor?ek) > 2. Re: [developer] Preliminary Download link: Illumos based > MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD (without installer) > (Jonathan Adams) > 3. Re: Replacing both disks in a mirror set (Jim Klimov) > 4. rebuilding man page catalog (Boris Epstein) > 5. Re: rebuilding man page catalog (Michael Stapleton) > 6. Re: rebuilding man page catalog (Michael Schuster) > 7. Re: rebuilding man page catalog (Boris Epstein) > 8. Re: rebuilding man page catalog (Boris Epstein) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:01:31 +0200 > From: Andrej Javor?ek <[email protected]> > To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing both disks in a mirror > set > Message-ID: > <CALbnqNNhqs9d0X4z4x8Eka2=mkHGMYk_Wj=xl9j6m7wdxua...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Martin I hope you succeeded to get your data back. > I have been beaten by ZFS couple of times before (but been beaten deadlier > by Linux MD an LVM) > - in OI 147 zpool import with many snapshots and dedup was too slow for > production. Had to destroy and recreate pool from backup after more than a > day of waiting to import after planned reboot. > - OpenSolaris killed my rpool on SSD in MacBook (after a day of fighting > with LiveCD importing, kernel panics I reinstalled everything). > > Now the main question! > If I offline disk (zpool offline MYPOOL <disk>), will that disk be usable > as a single disk for import?! > > Regards Andrej > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Martin Bochnig <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Marilio, >> >> >> at first a reminder: never ever detach a disk before you have a third >> disk that already completed resilvering. >> The term "detach" is misleading, because it detaches the disk from the >> pool. Afterwards you cannot access the disk's previous contents >> anymore. Your "detached" half of a mirror can neither be imported, nor >> mounted and also not even rescued (unlike a disk with a "zpool >> destroy"ed disk). If I ever mentally recover from a zfs encryption >> caused 2TB (or 3 years!) data loss, then I may offer an implementation >> with less ambigous naming to Illumos. >> >> >> "zpool detach" suggests, that you could still use this disk as a >> reserve backup copy of the pool you were detaching it from. And that >> you could simply "zpool attach" it again, in case the other disk would >> die. >> >> Unfortunately, this is not the case. >> Well, you can of course attach it again. Like any new or empty disk. >> But only if and only if you have enough replicas, and that's not what >> one wanted if one fell in this misunderstanding trap. >> And there are no warnings in the zpool/zfs man pages. >> >> >> What you want: >> >> zpool replace <poolname> <vdev to be replaced> <new vdev> >> But last weekend I lost 7 years of trust that I had in ZFS. >> Because Oracle Solaris 11/11 x86 with an encrypted and gzip-9 >> compressed mirror cannot be accessed anymore after VirtualBox forced >> me to remove prower from the host machine. >> Since then a 1:1 mirror of 2TB disks cannot be mounted anymore. It >> always ends in a kernel panic due to a pf in >> aes:aes_decrypt_contiguous_blocks. >> >> Well: TITANIC IS UNSINKABLE! >> The problem is, that scrub doesn't find an error, and so has nothing >> to auto-repair. >> Even zpool attach sucessfully completes resilver, but the newly >> resilvered disk contains the same error. Be aware that ZFS is not free >> of bugs. >> If it stays like that (I contacted some folks for help), then my trust >> in ZFS has destroyed, VAPORIZED 3 years of my work and life. >> >> So, back to your question: To be as cautious as possible, what I would >> do in your case: >> >> >> 0.) zpool offline <poolname> <vdev you want to replace> >> >> 1.) Physically remove this disc (important, because I have seen cases, >> where zfs forgets that you offlined a vdev after a reboot) >> >> 2.) AFTER (!IMPORTANT!) you physically disconnected the disc to be >> replaced, "zpool detach it" or alternatively take "zpool replace >> <poolname> >> <oldvdev_that_you_disconnected_BEFOREinordertokeepitasbafailsafebackup!> >> <newvdev> >> >> 3.) Depending on if you did detach or replace in step 2.), "zpool >> attach <poolname> <Firstvdevofthispool> <newvdev> or ommit this step, >> if you took "zpool replace" in step 2.) >> >> >> NEVER TRUST ZFS TOO MUCH. >> What I do from now on: For each 1:1 mirror that I have I will take a >> third disk, resilver it, offline and physically disconnect it, and >> store it at a secure place. >> >> Because if you have this much bad luck as I had last weekend, ZFS >> replicates the data corruption, too. >> And then you could have 1000 discs mirrored, they would all contain >> the corruption. >> For this reason, you are only on the safe side, if you physically >> disconnect a third copy! >> >> >> >> Good luck! >> %martin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/8/12, Maurilio Longo <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >>>> I'm not understanding your problem. If you add a 3rd temporary disk, >>>> wait >>>> for it to resilver, then replace c1t5d0, let the new disk resilver, then >>>> detach the temporary disk, you will never have less than 2 up to date >>>> disks >>>> in the mirror. What am I missing? >>>> >>> >>> Dan, >>> >>> you're right, I was trying to find a way to "move" the new disk in the >>> failing >>> disk bay instead of simply replacing the failing one :) >>> >>> Thanks for the advice! >>> >>> Maurilio. >>> >>> -- >>> __________ >>> | | | |__| Maurilio Longo >>> |_|_|_|____| >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >>> >> >> >> -- >> regards >> >> %martin bochnig >> http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/MartUX_OpenIndiana+oi_151a+SPARC+LiveDVD >> http://www.youtube.com/user/MartUXopensolaris >> >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/MartUX_SPARC-OpenIndiana/357912020962940 >> https://twitter.com/MartinBochnig >> http://www.martux.org (new page not yet online, but pretty soon) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:01:34 +0100 > From: Jonathan Adams <[email protected]> > To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] [developer] Preliminary Download > link: Illumos based MartUX_OpenIndiana_Edition for SPARC LiveDVD > (without installer) > Message-ID: > <cakr4wiq-3th6a3zxdqdnwyaffhdd1s5ka0komxxmmf59_9w...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6o_jmGQm0dWeW45SjhfbklFVlE > > https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B6o_jmGQm0dWSGV6UGE2RExnUU0 > > it was compiled a while ago ... hopefully it will still work ... I've > not tried again since. > > we use SunRays and win2k8 servers with RDP for our accounts system > (running in KVM on Illumos :)) ) so there wasn't much need to > implement it in the end. > > Jon > > On 8 October 2012 18:05, Alex Smith (K4RNT) <[email protected]> wrote: >> True, but I'm talking about the native SVR4 packages for NoMachine NX >> on SPARC Solaris, already bundles for Solaris 8-10. It may work with >> minimal hacking on OpenIndiana for SPARC. >> >> Jonathan, could you maybe give me some pointers on how you compiled it >> from source? I was trying to read the documentation that came with the >> source, and it was so confusing that I wasn't able to finish the task. >> >> I'm a big fan of NoMachine NX, and would *love* to see it in action on >> the Solaris and illumos platforms! I already filed an RFE a while ago >> when the illumos project was originally forked, but I haven't any >> activity since. >> >> Cheers! >> >> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Jonathan Adams <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> On 5 October 2012 17:26, Alex Smith (K4RNT) <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> If SVR4 packages work on the current OpenIndiana, you may want to look >>>> into NoMachine NX instead. That would probably be your easiest and >>>> best solution for what you're trying to do. >>>> >>>> www.nomachine.com >>> >>> I got this to work relatively well on Solaris 10 (x86) and early >>> OpenIndiana (x86) when compiling from source ... but it took a fair >>> amount of "hacking" to get it to use system libraries where they >>> existed ... >>> >>> there are however no Solaris x86 clients. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech >> censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, >> chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron >> Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is >> trodden on we?re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron >> Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" >> - Alex Smith (K4RNT) >> - Dulles Technology Corridor (Chantilly/Ashburn/Dulles), Virginia USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 14:13:32 +0400 > From: Jim Klimov <[email protected]> > To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Replacing both disks in a mirror > set > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > 2012-10-09 13:01, Andrej Javor?ek wrote: >> Martin I hope you succeeded to get your data back. > +1 > >> I have been beaten by ZFS couple of times before > > +2 ;) > >> Now the main question! >> If I offline disk (zpool offline MYPOOL <disk>), will that disk be usable >> as a single disk for import?! > > I do understand how people want to make things simpler, but > how does it not suffice to create a stand-alone separate pool > on this removable disk or the disk migrating onto another host, > complete with "installgrub" and the appropriate zpool attributes > like "bootfs" (perhaps starting with "zpool split" - didn't use > that yet)? > > In terms of keeping backup in a table, sending some incremental > snapshots should be safer than letting a mirror resync its > possible new errors (like those Martin had) completely. > With snapshots on a separate pool you can rollback easier than > on an identical clone of the same corrupted pool. > > You are even "guaranteed" to have enough space to do this, since > you intended to use a sufficiently-sized disk as a mirror half > anyway. > > //Jim > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:18:43 -0400 > From: Boris Epstein <[email protected]> > To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana > <[email protected]> > Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] rebuilding man page catalog > Message-ID: > <CADeF1XHoXzK3My90=a-xzedka0qwke99ahak20+hz5zhlrx...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello listmates, > > If may man command does not display some of the pages including those > clearly present under /usr/share/man - how do I fix that? I remember there > was a command that rebuilt the catalog, I just can't recall what it was. > > Thanks. > > Boris. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 11:29:08 -0400 > From: Michael Stapleton <[email protected]> > To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] rebuilding man page catalog > Message-ID: <1349796548.12622.3.camel@mslaptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > catman -w > > create the windex database that is > used by whatis(1) and the man(1) -f and > -k options. No manual reformatting is > done. > > Mike > >> Hello listmates, >> >> If may man command does not display some of the pages including those >> clearly present under /usr/share/man - how do I fix that? I remember there >> was a command that rebuilt the catalog, I just can't recall what it was. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Boris. >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:30:59 +0200 > From: Michael Schuster <[email protected]> > To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] rebuilding man page catalog > Message-ID: > <CADqw_gJR0f6dBgr3FVF=ZK6gHvPEDYXHaHaf=eqwlaos5vx...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I don't think that was what OP was asking for ... > > Michael > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Michael Stapleton > <[email protected]> wrote: >> catman -w >> >> create the windex database that is >> used by whatis(1) and the man(1) -f and >> -k options. No manual reformatting is >> done. >> >> Mike >> >>> Hello listmates, >>> >>> If may man command does not display some of the pages including those >>> clearly present under /usr/share/man - how do I fix that? I remember there >>> was a command that rebuilt the catalog, I just can't recall what it was. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Boris. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > > > -- > Michael Schuster > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:35:48 -0400 > From: Boris Epstein <[email protected]> > To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] rebuilding man page catalog > Message-ID: > <CADeF1XGDVq+MZKb0Dk7nWW8x0YiE_HkqWPGr3A_49PcVRc=q...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Mike, > > Thanks! Just ran > > catman -w > > Unfortunately, that did not seem to do the trick. > > Boris. > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Michael Stapleton < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> catman -w >> >> create the windex database that is >> used by whatis(1) and the man(1) -f and >> -k options. No manual reformatting is >> done. >> >> Mike >> >>> Hello listmates, >>> >>> If may man command does not display some of the pages including those >>> clearly present under /usr/share/man - how do I fix that? I remember >> there >>> was a command that rebuilt the catalog, I just can't recall what it was. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Boris. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:36:52 -0400 > From: Boris Epstein <[email protected]> > To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] rebuilding man page catalog > Message-ID: > <cadef1xfni-x_v+oa5gtcg7idv8pqbwblwt87+hvwr_y6tit...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Why? That was exactly the sort of thing I was asking for. > > The command suggested, catman -w , did not do the trick though. > > Boris. > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Michael Schuster <[email protected] >> wrote: > >> I don't think that was what OP was asking for ... >> >> Michael >> >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Michael Stapleton >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> catman -w >>> >>> create the windex database that is >>> used by whatis(1) and the man(1) -f and >>> -k options. No manual reformatting is >>> done. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>>> Hello listmates, >>>> >>>> If may man command does not display some of the pages including those >>>> clearly present under /usr/share/man - how do I fix that? I remember >> there >>>> was a command that rebuilt the catalog, I just can't recall what it was. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Boris. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> Michael Schuster >> http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > > End of OpenIndiana-discuss Digest, Vol 27, Issue 17 > *************************************************** _______________________________________________ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
