Sorry about the gibberish message. Apparently my two year old had my blackberry at some point. Sent from my BlackBerry
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:15:34 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: OpenIndiana-discuss Digest, Vol 15, Issue 25 Send OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OpenIndiana-discuss digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Help with website (Alasdair Lumsden) 2. Re: Help with website (Richard L. Hamilton) 3. Re: Help with website (Dan Swartzendruber) 4. A (Butch Whitby) 5. Re: A (Dan Swartzendruber) 6. Re: Help with website (Alasdair Lumsden) 7. Re: Help with website (Gregory Youngblood) 8. Re: A (Gregory Youngblood) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:56:04 +0100 From: Alasdair Lumsden <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi All, Please, for the sake of everybody's sanity, can people chill out and stop arguing. This thread started as someone wanting to volunteer to help the project, and it has descended into a flame fest. I'd kindly ask that people respect the rules of the mailing list and stop flaming each other. Remember this is a public forum, and when people google your name, they will find these posts; they are preserved forever. Think before hitting the send button. Regards, Alasdair ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:56:16 -0400 From: "Richard L. Hamilton" <[email protected]> To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > Richard, you continue to miss the point. This isn't about you (OS) vs me > (linux). I would wager that for every opensolaris user there are at least > 10 linux users. Getting them to use OS (which is better in many ways, > granted), making the environment more familiar is essential, IMO. You are > of course, free to disagree. Just saying, I've been through this before? That assumes that there's a benefit of converting people from Linux to OS/OI. I see no benefit for OS/OI users (numbers of users rather than clue-bringers don't build a community) nor for that matter, for the Linux users, in promoting that conversion on terms that displace those already there to make room for those coming over. Unless of course you really think that OS/OI is well short of the minimum viable number. I don't happen to think that's the case, but I'll admit I'm biased towards smaller numbers anyway, since the majority is nothing to brag about (look at a bell curve sometime). I'd go so far as to say why not take some existing migration guide and flesh it out. Or improve coexistence, if a migration guide would impose too much of a burden on the newcomers. Or whatever. But don't expect those already here to take in the shorts for the sake of attracting newcomers. It's exactly like the border debate. My view is that those here should not have to accommodate themselves to new arrivals. Let them assimilate or go back. We may need some immigrants?on _our_ terms, but if we need them on _their_ terms, we're already dead as a distinct community. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:59:51 -0400 From: "Dan Swartzendruber" <[email protected]> To: "'Discussion list for OpenIndiana'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website Message-ID: <A4261BA4FCBD48AFAE21EC99CE277A73@manticore> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Alasdair, thank you. I apologize for my intemperate language. The frustration at people's apparent inability to get the point I was trying to make doesn't justify it. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:03:12 +0000 From: "Butch Whitby" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A Message-ID: <420246489-1318294993-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-675200187-@b14.c31.bise6.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain Jjjk KkKkik De Sent from my BlackBerry ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:04:14 -0400 From: "Dan Swartzendruber" <[email protected]> To: "'Discussion list for OpenIndiana'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A Message-ID: <93A2E1112B4F496D9CCC0B8206004BB0@manticore> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tourette's? -----Original Message----- From: Butch Whitby [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A Jjjk KkKkik De Sent from my BlackBerry _______________________________________________ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 02:11:20 +0100 From: Alasdair Lumsden <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 10/11/11 01:59 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > Alasdair, thank you. I apologize for my intemperate language. The > frustration at people's apparent inability to get the point I was trying to > make doesn't justify it. The message was to everyone who contributed to the thread going way way off topic. The topic was "Help with website" and somehow we got onto "X vs Y". Let's keep it focused on the former and not the latter. The mission statement behind OI is to make it really good OS that's easy to use for newcomers whilst not sacrificing quality or our Solaris heritage. Nobody is obliged to use OI, nor is OI ideologically better or worse than any other OS. It occupies a unique space in the unixsphere. That's the end of the discussion. If you want to discuss things further, create a new thread for it. Don't hijack existing threads. That's standard mailing list etiquette. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:14:02 -0700 From: Gregory Youngblood <[email protected]> To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Help with website Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Oct 10, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Christopher Chan wrote: > On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 08:32 AM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >> >> Quite true. At this point, though, the admin space is the issue. > > I come from a Linux background with my experience being done on Redhat Linux, > Fedora, Centos and Ubuntu. I have also worked on FreeBSD and OpenBSD. I do > not see a problem in the admin space. You can get various GNU tools on > OpenIndiana. And it's been that way for a very long time. I remember one of my early tasks was to get gnu tools on solaris (2.4? 2.5?) server where it was then nfs exported to all the other servers and available somewhere like /usr/local (maybe it was /usr/local/gnu?). This was right as it was released and sunfreeware didn't yet have all the stuff readily available for download. I believe this was 97 or 98 time frame. I ended building packages for just about all the gnu (and several non-gnu, but common) tools so they were proper solaris "packages" to boot. The end result, all of our servers had the gnu tools. Which were default depended on your path. I think the perceived problem in the admin space depends on the depth of experience of the admin too. Admins that only know one (or maybe, MAYBE 2) linux distribution(s) become so entrenched in their distro of choice they have a hard time seeing any other options (including other Linux options). The more well rounded admins don't have such a problem. I can tell you of one friend that is a well rounded Linux guy and his impression of OpenSolaris and OpenIndiana: Linux in 95. His personal beef was with the extremely limited hardware support. He spent quite a bit of time trying to get just the right sata card and chipset and still had problems with getting things working that he finally gave up. This was less than a year ago too. The biggest issues with getting Linux or others to check out and use OI isn't email vs. forums, gnu or not user space tools, etc., it's driver support and documentation, and often the attitude they seem to frequently get when they come looking for help. Greg ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:15:31 -0700 From: Gregory Youngblood <[email protected]> To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pocket-emailing? On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > Tourette's? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Butch Whitby [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [OpenIndiana-discuss] A > > Jjjk > > > KkKkik > > De > > Sent from my BlackBerry > > _______________________________________________ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss End of OpenIndiana-discuss Digest, Vol 15, Issue 25 *************************************************** _______________________________________________ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
