On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 09:21 +0100, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: > Hi All, > > I too don't appreciate the flamewar on here of Solaris vs Linux, sudo vs > pfexec.
With all due respect, I think the technical signal is high enough to qualify as relevant discussion. > If you don't like sudo, you don't have to use it. It's as simple as that. Unless it's forced on you a'la Ubuntu. > But bringing the default in-line with other modern-day Unixes such as MacOS > and most of the major Linux distributions seems entirely sane to me. People > expect sudo, therefore we will give them sudo. So if you don't like the > default, I suggest you investigate distro-constructor. MacOS had it's heday but that day is past. Now it's OpenIndiana's turn. Bringing things into conformance with other modern day *nices IS valid. Targeting Ubuntu as the role model simply because it's currently in vogue with relatively low tech Linux newbie type users is what I took issue with. Decisions should be founded on technical merit. Not that there wasn't some technical merit in adding an authentication component. > > RBAC/pfexec is in no way being deprecated and server administrators will be > advised to make use of it for obvious reasons, such as auditing. But it's > unreasonable to insist that users bend to fit the OS. You don't win users > that way. Like it or not, Solaris is a minority fringe OS these days, and if > we don't want to fade into obscurity further, decisions like this have to be > made. This is the reality we are living in. Failing to accept the reality is > not helpful for anyone. True. But I think it's also important to keep in mind _why_ Solaris declined to fringe status. Had Sun open sourced it 5 years sooner and actually gotten the job done in a timely manner their employees may well still be sporting @sun.com email addresses... -- Ken Gunderson <[email protected]> _______________________________________________ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
