The Pale Moon redistribution license is very clear
http://www.palemoon.org/redist.shtml . However, Jeremy Andrews
approached us to facilitate (re)introduction of Modern Solaris (and
flavors there of) support back into the Unified XUL Platform.
I understand how poor choice of words in the openbsd-wip github issue
may sour you. However, as Jeremy has been in charge of this effort for a
few months now and would be maintaining the packages in-line with our
various project licenses. I do not see how a problem like the one at
openbsd-wip would occur regardless of how things were phrased then. He
has already committed to maintaining the support in UXP for Modern
Solaris. So he would be responsible for continued maintenance of a Pale
Moon or Interlink package for OpenIndiana.
He worked with us every step of the way to facilitate bringing support
to release level. He did all this because he believed in both us and all
of you. Then he was granted permission to use the Official trademarked
branding from Moonchild Productions and Binary Outcast in order to bring
Pale Moon and Interlink Mail & News (and when release, Borealis
Navigator) to OpenIndiana users via your package system.
WE are not suggesting that we would be a sole replacement for your
Mozilla packages that you offer (and are stalled on) but I believe some
users may find us a good alternative. The person here that is committed
to providing packages is also providing the code level support at the
"upstream" projects for these applications. He also has our confidence
and support to do so. So there would be quite a bit of coordination here.
BUT, that isn't what has happened this day. No, this day did not turn
out as hoped for by the young programmer. Something very different
happened. He, and by extension, all of us who work on the Unified XUL
Platform and the projects, Pale Moon included, that build on it have
been rejected out of hand. SIMPLY because of some trumped up encounter
with those who did not bother to ask for permission, haven't spoken to
us and outright reject intellectual property rights and software
licenses aside from their particular chosen one. A situation I might add
that isn't the same as this one AND was quite a while ago now. Yet it is
being treated as such.
So here we are, I am writing to all of you because someone I have come
to know and who worked very hard to bring his chosen software to his
chosen OS for all to use and enjoy has been crushed. What does this say
about the Open Source community and more importantly about people in
general these days?
Thank you for your time,
Matt A. Tobin
Commanding Officer
Binary Outcast
On 12/11/2019 1:31 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019, Volker A. Brandt wrote:
Till Wegmüller writes:
I concur. Some politeness goes a long way. This problem with the
license
requirements however stems from firefox originally. Only that in
firefox'es case they fought with the debian community and lost. It
seems
like the Palemoon community needs to have the same experience.
Sadly....
To me, the problem looks slightly different: The Pale Moon devs insist
on having private copies of a huge number of libraries in their source
tree. If a distro changes that to use the system version of those libs
instead, the PM people consider that a license violation. IIRC the
original Debian ./. Firefox dispute was about logos and icons.
I don't see a statement about that in the extensive license text. It
is clear that any modifications to executable and logo content
provided by Pale Moon are not allowed. I don't think that this means
that code independently compiled under the Mozilla license is not
allowed to be modified and distributed. Indeed, it must be modified
to use alternate branding and logos.
It is understandable that OpenBSD does not want apps to be using
separate
non-audited and possibly outdated copies of system libraries.
The arrogant and high-handed way in which the PM people phrased their
demands were no help either. They have not realized that they are
driving users away, a very stupid thing to do.
Not sure if Jeremy should continue calling his build "Pale Moon". Maybe
"New Moon" would be better, just to avoid sudden abuse coming from the
PM people over some build flag.
Obviously, every trace of Pale Moon and standard logos, as well as
HTML style sheets are required to be changed. The name of the
distribution package can not include the phrase "Pale Moon".
To me, it seems like the many requirements are rather onerous and it
is thus not surprising that this software is not going anywhere fast
even though it does appear to offer the experience that people used to
enjoy from the original Mozilla (and later Mozilla SeaMonkey after
FireFox emerged).
Bob
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