Robert Kern <robert.kern <at> gmail.com> writes: > > >>> > > >>> > One alternative that does not expand the API with two-liners is to let > >>> > the ndarray.fill() method return self: > >>> > > >>> > a = np.empty(...).fill(20.0) > >>> > >>> This violates the convention that in-place operations never return > >>> self, to avoid confusion with out-of-place operations. E.g. > >>> ndarray.resize() versus ndarray.reshape(), ndarray.sort() versus > >>> np.sort(), and in the broader Python world, list.sort() versus > >>> sorted(), list.reverse() versus reversed(). (This was an explicit > >>> reason given for list.sort to not return self, even.) > >>> > >>> Maybe enabling this idiom is a good enough reason to break the > >>> convention ("Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules. / > >>> Although practicality beats purity"), but it at least makes me -0 on > >>> this... > >>> > >> > >> I tend to agree with the notion that inplace operations shouldn't return > >> self, but I don't know if it's just because I've been conditioned this way. > >> Not returning self breaks the fluid interface pattern [1], as noted in a > >> similar discussion on pandas [2], FWIW, though there's likely some way to > >> have both worlds. > > > > Ah-hah, here's the email where Guide officially proclaims that there > > shall be no "fluent interface" nonsense applied to in-place operators > > in Python, because it hurts readability (at least for Dutch people > > ): > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2003-October/038855.html > > That's a statement about the policy for the stdlib, and just one > person's opinion. You, and numpy, are permitted to have a different > opinion. > > In any case, I'm not strongly advocating for it. It's violation of > principle ("no fluent interfaces") is roughly in the same ballpark as > np.filled() ("not every two-liner needs its own function"), so I > thought I would toss it out there for consideration. > > -- > Robert Kern >
FWIW I'm +1 on the idea. Perhaps because I just don't see many practical downsides to breaking the convention but I regularly see a big issue with there being no way to instantiate an array with a particular value. The one obvious way to do it is use ones and multiply by the value you want. I work with a lot of inexperienced programmers and I see this idiom all the time. It takes a fair amount of numpy knowledge to know that you should do it in two lines by using empty and setting a slice. In [1]: %timeit NaN*ones(10000) 1000 loops, best of 3: 1.74 ms per loop In [2]: %%timeit ...: x = empty(10000, dtype=float) ...: x[:] = NaN ...: 10000 loops, best of 3: 28 us per loop In [3]: 1.74e-3/28e-6 Out[3]: 62.142857142857146 Even when not in the mythical "tight loop" setting an array to one and then multiplying uses up a lot of cycles - it's nearly 2 orders of magnitude slower than what we know they *should* be doing. I'm agnostic as to whether fill should be modified or new functions provided but I think numpy is currently missing this functionality and that providing it would save a lot of new users from shooting themselves in the foot performance- wise. -Dave _______________________________________________ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion