On Mon, 2016-05-09 at 14:35 +0200, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> David Woodhouse <[email protected]> writes:
> > There are users in corporate networks who *have* to use the proxies,
> > because direct connections to the outside world don't work.
>
> Yes, and those networks will use DHCP to configure proxies.  Anything
> else would be crazy.

Yeah, because corporate IT is *never* crazy. :)

I am fairly sure that our lot *don't* advertise the proxy with option
252. I also suspect I'd get nowhere in *asking* them to, since it isn't
required for Windows. I suppose I could try; they are actually quite
good these days.

But even if I fix it for my own users, that doesn't solve the general
case. I already *had* a hackish solution in a NM dispatcher script to
automatically detect being on *our* corporate network and prod the
right configuration into PacRunner.

And we *need* the general case to be solved. Because until
PacRunner/libproxy actually gives sane results in a reliable fashion, I
don't get to change distro packaging guidelines to read "Thou shalt use
libproxy by default". And without things actually *using* it, none of
this stuff actually makes any difference at all :)

> > Sure, a rogue network could still advertise intel.com in the search
> > domains in its DHCP response, and provide its own PAC content. But then
> > again, it could have just given you a DHCP option 252. Once the
> > attacker has *that* much control, I think you lost the game already.
>
> Yes, a rogue network is one thing. No way to protect yourself there
> of course.
> 
> The problem with using DNS for proxy config is that you aren't even
> safe on a trusted network, unless you are very careful about which
> domain names you use.  Most users won't know that their choice of
> host name might have security implications.  Because it shouldn't.

True. But we're not talking about *always* using the corporate wpad
when we're outside the corporate network — only when the local DHCP
server actually give $COMPANY.com in the list of DNS search domains.

And yes, a rogue network *could* do that... but as noted, we lose that
game anyway.

-- 
dwmw2

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