On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:21 AM Glenn Holmer <[email protected]> wrote:
> [Sending from gmail as KolabNow is down... again.] > > On 10/22/2018 09:53 PM, Leo Donahue wrote: > > 1. Are there still tribe leaders like in NetCAT 9? > - All of the recent emails about not being done would have come from > tribe leaders before. > > There just wasn't enough time to go through the process of selecting > tribe leaders this time; I myself only volunteered to help coordinate > NetCAT at the last minute. NetBeans is on a shorter release schedule > now, and we have fewer people in NetCAT than we used to. I believe there > were well over 100 for earlier releases (I'm a veteran of 18 NetCATs). > > > 4. What constitutes a test spec review? In other words, aside from > my input, who else makes decisions on the contents of the test specs? > > I've always felt that NetBeans devs should be writing and maintaining > the test specs; otherwise it's sort of like the lunatics running the > asylum :) But that can be a time-consuming process. Bottom line, we're > all volunteers now and we have to maintain the test specs ourselves. > Questions about features and expected behavior can always be asked on > the dev list. This is one of the areas where I think NetCAT can improve, > and suggestions are of course welcome. > > - Where do I provide feedback on the VCS Subversion test specs? > - Does NetCAT 10 test against Subversion 1.9.5 or newer? > > > This list would be the place to discuss that, during the spec review > process. With a quicker release cycle for NetBeans, I think it would be > good to remain active on this list between releases to discuss these > types of questions; the test spec review should really be an ongoing > process. > > Re the version question, I would say use the latest version (or the > version you are using in production). An issue report should always > contain the version number used in any case. There have been many times > where an issue was raised during NetCAT and devs were able to narrow it > down to changes in a library version after looking at it more closely. > > > VCS Subversion has roughly 60+ test specs in 9 test suites. > Is the expectation that all 60+ specs are tested separately with: javahl, > svnkit and command line? > > svnkit has been removed due to licensing issues: > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/commit/e32f86aeecc1b0bb890ff95ed7e1c31c6da25cb6 > > In other words, a VCS Subversion volunteer does all 9 test suites > separately using each connector? > > Just asking, why VCS Subversion testing in NetCAT 10? > No movement on NetBeans Version Control Issues in JIRAs from previous > NetCAT, so just asking what IDE changes would affect VCS Subversion code > base. > > Aside from regression bugs, Java itself is undergoing bigger changes > than it has in the past. For example, in NetCAT for both the NetBeans 9 > and 10 releases, we found things in the profiler that were broken by > changes in the JDK. > > As for the volume of tests, there is nothing to stop us from simplifying > them or splitting them up into smaller sections. Even if you can't finish > the whole thing, some testing would be better than none. > > For someone who steps into NetCAT for their first time, I do wish the VCS Subversion specs did not build on the success of the previous test. One fail and you have to start all over to get to a stable IDE state, but the test after fail test expects previous test to work, so it's kind of frustrating to be sure what I report is valid or not. I really like the page which classifies the level of issue between major, critical and blocker. With respect to support for external tools like VCS, not using the IDE is always a workaround, so are all issues related to VCS classified as major? > Again, these are all good questions to be asking. Let's get some > discussion going on these things during the interregnum between NetCATs! > > P.S. It looks like you've removed yourself from the participants list. > Do you still want to help test Subversion? We have until the 28th. > I will add myself back to wiki.. can you make me a place in synergy for vcs subversion? > -- > > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." >
