yes, I followed the last weeks conference all on stream amazing stuff https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1dS8SfRTbFU
********* AGF: @poemproducer / .com in order: antyegreie.com > On 1 Feb 2016, at 13:43, helen varley jamieson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > very interesting! > >> On 26/01/16 4:08 14PM, Annie Abrahams wrote: >> http://onlineopen.org/inside-hell-we-build-paradise?utm_source=Newsletter+Open!&utm_campaign=729b62c695-Open_31_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2487a747f3-729b62c695-95978185 >> >> 'The New World Summit is an artistic and political organization founded by >> visual artist Jonas Staal, dedicated to providing ‘alternative parliaments’ >> hosting organizations that currently find themselves excluded from >> democracy. The fifth summit (part 1) took place in Rojava, Syria, in October >> 2015. Brigitte van der Sande was part of a delegation that was invited to >> participate.' >> >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Ana Valdés <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Totally share it! The mag Cointerpunch ran an article with a discussion in >>> other list about if torture works or not I don't have the link longer but >>> do a Google search with Ana Valdés Counterpunch and you find the article. >>> They used my answer and my own life story as reference >>> Cheers >>> Ana >>> >>> Thanks Ana, o valueble to hear your thoughts >>> >>> but occupation is the same case here, or statelessness, the kurds have no >>> state, no rights >>> >>> I was always a hard core pacifist, my father was an East German army >>> officer and i was terrified of overflying war planes and I am absolute >>> against war & violence, post Hitler-Soviet schooled, and I am still very >>> much a hard core pacifist now, pro diplomatic, justice, women involvement >>> in solutions, education etc >>> >>> but if we make exceptions like the palestinian one, and I agree their case >>> is very difficult >>> the same counts for Kurds which are victim to terrible oppression ? >>> >>> if a women chooses to fight for an independet cause, not for an >>> imperialistic state (like israel maybe) >>> but to defend her very right to exist ? >>> >>> i want to add 2 links, one is even american reporting, but good in this case >>> >>> good link by women on women >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcT8Q_6wtLo> >>> >>> summary >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPwZGHivQSQ> >>> >>> thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, i would like to ask permission to >>> share this with another mailing list called female pressure, we are >>> musicians and media people, and discussing a solidarity campaign righ now >>> >>> is it ok ? >>> thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> > On 14 Dec 2015, at 16:30, Ana Valdés <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear thanks for your answer. When I was much younger I believed in “just >>> > wars” and was jailed four years for belonging to the Tupamaros guerilla, >>> > you must know about it since Baader-Meinhof had Tupamaros as inspiration >>> > 😊 >>> > It was an armed gerilla and to my disclaim I can say today I was only 19 >>> > years old, new examinated from a very stern German nun’s school I had a >>> > highly romantized image of Che Guevara as icon and etc etc >>> > Today I am a stern pacifist and the only resistance I understand its the >>> > Palestinian because they are occupied for a foreign power and they have >>> > right to fight for their land. >>> > >>> > >>> > Cheers >>> > Ana >>> > >>> > >>> > De: AG Forever >>> > Enviado: lunes, 14 de diciembre de 2015 5:42 >>> > Para: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>> > Asunto: Re: [NetBehaviour] #rojava >>> > >>> > Hi Ana, I always thought like that, I remember how my country / East >>> > Germany didn't last cause the reason to control people with violence in >>> > one place is not lasting.... >>> > >>> > This is an interesting article although half a year old, and the comments >>> > confuse me very much re FGM. >>> > https://www.opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening/evangelos-aretaios/rojava-revolution >>> > >>> > I would in any moment agree with you but if you can't even hold a >>> > territory and your choice is sex slave or combat fighter, I know what I >>> > would choose... ? >>> > >>> > But then there is their revolution. There intentions, their goals.. >>> > >>> > >>> > "In the wider Middle East since the nineteenth century and before that, >>> > the female body is one of the most important symbolic battlegrounds >>> > between modernizers and reactionaries. Today, here in Syria, this fight >>> > is to death. >>> > “The gangs of Daesh want the woman to be a slave. They don’t consider us >>> > as human beings but only as objects to serve men and to satisfy his >>> > specific needs. They ostentatiously sell women as slaves as if they were >>> > animals”. The girl I speak with is Nupelda, 20 years old and serves in a >>> > mobile company of the Women’s Protection Units (YPJ) on the front line. >>> > This is the army of women in the autonomous administration of Rojava, >>> > fighting side by side with men in the YPG. Both forces are under the >>> > control and command of PYD. Nupelda has been fighting for two years now." >>> > >>> > I am thinking how to call for solidarity for Rojava revolution and >>> > eventually lift of PKK ban in EU... >>> > >>> > just thoughts... >>> > >>> > ********* >>> > AGF: @poemproducer / .com >>> > in order: antyegreie.com >>> > >>> > >>> > On 9 Dec 2015, at 01:59, Ana Valdés <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > I was as many of you know at the conference of Women in Black in India. >>> > Women from Afghanistan Congo Bosnia and Armenia shared with us dark >>> > stories of rape forced marriages and impunity we need to strengthen the >>> > civil societies the question is how to achieve it? If the changes are >>> > made with weapons and soldiers (female or male), we are always prisoners >>> > of the weapons and wars as metaphors... >>> > Ana >>> > >>> > Den 6 dec 2015 08:11 skrev "AGF poemproducer" <[email protected]>: >>> > hi, >>> > >>> > I spent last days reading and studying the kurdish female fighters and >>> > their efforts to built an independent equal and just state in north east >>> > syria… i am a pacifist in my deepest structure but have been challanged >>> > and confused by what is happening there… if you need to >>> > read up look for hashtags #Rojava >>> > >>> > any thoughts ? >>> > >>> > (i find this article a good sum up) >>> > >>> > http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/11/25/rojava_is_a_radical_experiment_in_democracy_in_northern_syria_american_leftists.html >>> > >>> > "I recently spoke to someone from the Kurdish women’s movement in Rojava >>> > and asked what they need most. She said they need a massive international >>> > solidarity campaign, beginning with political education about the >>> > evolution of the PKK and its politics, including its emphasis on >>> > democratic governance, anti-sectarianism, secularism, ecology, and >>> > women’s liberation. In practical terms, they need all possible >>> > international pressure to be put on Turkey and the KRG to end the embargo >>> > and let supplies through. They need the terrorist designation to be >>> > lifted so they can travel and raise money and do public speaking." >>> > >>> > some more… >>> > >>> > http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/<http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/02/remembering-murray-bookchin/> >>> > >>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Protection_Units<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Protection_Units >>> > >>> > maybe this is also a good thing/ althought americans all over this, but >>> > maybe for the right reasons for a change >>> > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Presidents_Obama_and_Hollande_Prime_Ministers_Cameron_and_Turnbull_Help_the_Kurds_cut_off_ISILs_route_to_Europe/?wTXkYjb >>> > >>> > http://thelionsofrojava.com/index.php/join/ >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > NetBehaviour mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > NetBehaviour mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > -- > helen varley jamieson > [email protected] > http://www.creative-catalyst.com > http://www.upstage.org.nz > > > Unaussprechbarlich, München, November-Dezember 2015 > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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