Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 23:43:58 +1000
From: Suzon Fuks via NetBehaviour <[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
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Cc: Suzon Fuks <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Thoughts on Israel/Palestine
pfewwww, a bit of hope is necessary! Thanks Alan, thanks for your response
Greta!
We can hope that from chaos comes a kind of order...
First, cease fire!
Then, simultaneously, negotiations for a two-state solution AND put
resources together to save wounded people (Israeli hospitals and
international aids).
I like the idea of sharing the desalination plants to make water available
in the region! water is essential too! Mandatory cross-cultural education:
yes!
Apart from riots and putsch, how will Netanyahu, Israeli extremists and
Hamas be bypassed/removed??????
Any tricks on how to stop hate quickly? How to stop anger quickly?
I remembered being in Israel just after the 1967
war, playing with children in the street. Most of
them were so full of hate at that time against
Nasser, Egypt president. I, coming from Belgium,
could not understand their strong feelings and
was so shocked by their behaviour. Since then, the
movement of Shalom Archav / Peace Now has developed
and a large percentage of the country wants peace.
Hate and anger make people deaf, if people could quieten down and listen.
How?
Suzon
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ASSEMBLE - installation performance - Prague National Gallery for
PQ2023 with the support of ASEKOL for lending e-waste
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ARCHEO-GALAXY installation included in the closing event of the Magdalena
Montpellier Festival https://suzonfuks.net/archeo-galaxy/
VOICES OF HAKKA WOMEN - Finalist of Her Vision Film Festival, Toronto's
Asian Feedback Film Festival, Women's International Film Festival and
Special Mention from Asia South East Short Film Festival -
trailer https://youtu.be/ZAQYmRFaskM
I acknowledge the country, culture and traditional custodians of the land
upon which I walk, work and live, the Turrbal and Jagera peoples.
It takes 12000 litres of water to make 500 grams of chocolate!
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From: Alan Sondheim <[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
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Subject: [NetBehaviour] Listings, some forgotten, from a long
list
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Listings, some forgotten, from a long list disovered online
- reviews etc. I feel I work either as a nuisance or as
submerged,
every so often I find these remnants - forget the source -
https://www.wired.com/2008/11/all-the-alan-so/
- Bruce Sterling, Wired
https://soundcloud.com/user-23300991/alan-sondheim-short-wave-anomalous-rec
ordings-1991-excerpt9673-excerpt
- Cor Ardens, Soundcloud
https://books.google.com/books?id=UDi81QcqNFYC&pg=PA1260&lpg=PA1260&dq=Alan
+Sondheim&source=bl&ots=uGp2fwq7Ir&sig=ACfU3U2oBSjHuROtrprUGtZaUFSXGQ4uFQ&
hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjL0uSe_eWBAxX-lYkEHSLyBZ44eBDoAXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q
=Alan%20Sondheim&f=false
- Re: The Ash Land - Google Books ?
https://www.gamescenes.org/2010/05/art-in-virtual-worlds-yoshikazes-upinthe
air-2010.html
- GAMESCENES, Art in Virtual Worlds: Alan Sondheim's "Birthship"
(2010)
https://dvblog.org/?p=10676
DVblog - Alan Sondheim - Last Wine
https://glia.ca/conu/digitalPoetics/prehistoric-blog/2008/08/27/1971-alan-s
ondheims-4320/
David Jhave JohnstonDigital Poetics Prehistoric - 1971: Alan
Sondheim's
"4320"
https://wavefarm.org/wf/archive/11vfg0
Wave Farm | Poet Ray'd Yo: Alan Sondheim with Azure Carter
https://gapplegatemusicreview.blogspot.com/2017/09/alan-sondheim-azure-cart
er-luke.html?m=1
Gapplegate Music Review - Alan Sondheim, Azure Carter, Luke
Damrosch,
Threnody, Shorter Discourses of the Buddha (Public Eyesore)
https://samplereality.com/gmu/digital/2012/10/08/alan-sondheims-internet-te
xt-an-effective-example-of-a-new-media-database/
Alan Sondheims Internet Text: An Effective Example of a New
Media Database
https://whitecolumns.org/exhibitions/video-installations-alan-sondheim-and-
mike-metz/
Alan Sondheim and Mike Metz _Video Installations,_ 112 Greene
St.,
7/9/1971
https://spawnofthesurreal.blogspot.com/2008/11/alan-sondheim-accidental-art
ist.html?m=1
Alan Sondheim, the Accidental Artist
https://digitalcommons.risd.edu/visitingartists/2/
Alan Sondheim: "Post-Conceptual Art"; Alan Sondheim: "Recent
work"
by Robert Horvitz
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-137-08751-5_3
Alan Sondheim's Internet Diaspora, Maria Damon, in Diasporic
Avant-Gardes
https://oldtimemusic.com/the-list-of-alan-sondheim-albums-in-order/
The List of Alan Sondheim Albums in Order
Last Updated on September 10, 2023 / By Joseph L. Hollen
(not complete but great)
https://openart.ai/discovery/sd-1007076624602243102
Kathy Acker and Alan Sondheim sitting on a sofa in front of a
office metal
shutter. In front of them a table with blue video tapes Model:
Stable
Diffusion Width: 768Height: 1024 Seed: 4244808532
(why?)
https://www.slugmag.com/music/national-music-reviews/azure-carter-alan-sond
heim-avatar-woman/
Review: Azure Carter & Alan Sondheim Avatar Woman
By Stakerized November 6, 2014
https://www.allaboutjazz.com/ritual-all-7-70-alan-sondheim-esp-disk-review-
by-raul-dgama-rose
Album Review Alan Sondheim: Ritual-All-7-70 Raul d'Gama Rose By
Raul
d'Gama Rose March 14, 2009 Sign in to view read count
https://disasteramnesiac.blogspot.com/2014/04/azure-carter-alan-sondheim-av
ater-woman.html?m=1
disaster amnesiac, Wednesday, April 2, 2014 Azure Carter & Alan
Sondheim-Avatar Woman; Public Eyesore, 2014 (Mark Pino, Thank
You!)
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 03:48:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Alan Sondheim <[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]>
Subject: [NetBehaviour] Thoughts on Israel/Palestine
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(apologies for so much posting recently, cutting back)
Thoughts on Israel/Palestine
0. Like everyone else, I've been ruminating more or less in
despair at the situation in Israel/Palestine. Until my
mother
died, she was active in the Hadassah women's organization,
and made many trips to the Mid-East and Europe, working on
peace processes; I have many of her documents and some of
her
talks here. In any case, thinking about the situation,
however naive I might be -
1. A two-state solution is absolutely necessary; nations need
self-governance all the way around. There's no reason that
the West Bank and Gaza cannot be united through physical and
eletronic internetworking that would be able to respond
quickly to crisis.
2. Israel must pull out of Gaza; what started as defense and
retribution has turned into a massacre on the order of
Dresden or the Warsaw ghetto. Beyond the politics there's an
outdated issue of saving face which is increasingly deadly.
3. I believe that Israel still has nuclear weapons, and these
should be off the table completely. A war of any sort in
these small areas can escalate into annihilation: to the
limit as I once wrote.
4. The hospital systems of Gaza and Israel should connect and
the wounded of all parties should be able to receive
immediate treatment.
5. Talks should begin on all of this, sidelining Netanyahu and
Hamas; there should be no room for absolutism.
6. Jerusalem, in parts, should be an international city; there
are a number of religions which are somewhat central there,
and there should be no competition. It would be governed
both
as the capital of Israel and an important religious and
political center for Arabs, Christians, and Jews.
7. I would keep in relation to 6, the ultra-orthodox out of all
of this; their reasoning tends towards catastrophe, and,
like
Netanyahu, they have no interest in anything other, I think,
than total annihilation of the Arabs. The same would hold
for
any other religion as well. I'd argue for the UN to control
the temple mount, wailing wall, etc.
8. A great deal of all of this should center on the Jordan River
which has been known for a long time to be in a contention
that's damaging to everyone - instead there should be an
international agency composed of all the countries involved,
to find the best way to employ the water for agriculture and
so forth. Likewise Israeli desalinization plants should be
open to all. Articles I've read have indicated that this
might well be sustainable.
9. Cross-cultural education should be offered to all and perhaps
made mandatory; there are too many misrecognitions among
peoples that are resulting in the growths of hatreds.
Face-to-face peaceful encounters should be instituted;
there's already much too much false information online on
both side to result in anything other than a sense of
absolute warfare and enemies.
10. In terms of #2, the pull-out should be an immediate priority
and Israeli hospitals and other institutions should be open
to receiving the wounded. In other words, there must be
immediate steps taken, above all, to at least hint of a
periphery of reconciliation and cooperation; the land-mass
is too rugged, too alienating itself for anyone to prosper
without cooperation.
11. Obviously there should be term limits on Israeli leaders;
Netanyahu, who of course is corrupt, is going the way of
all
strong-men, caressing the state, consolidating power,
ensuring his continuous re-election, and working with a
vengeful and underlying militarism that affects everything.
The fact that he listens to no one but himself in this
catastrophe - which he is now both creating and continuing
-
indicates he has no desire for a peace process. I'm
reminded
of Pogo, "We have met the enemy and he is us" - and this is
absolutely true in this situation, with perhaps the worst
collateral damage the world has seen since World War II;
again Dresden comes to mind.
12. There should be any number of "temporary" withdrawals on the
Israeli side, to see if Hamas could be contained or even
become part of the peace process. In other words, in order
to give peace a chance, you need a space for peace, a space
that would, at least for the moment, refuse recrimination
in
the interests of the families and cultural institutions
caught up in the middle of all of this. (Remember John and
Yoko's bed.)
13. I wonder if lessons might not be derived from Hiroshima in
particular, a cultural backing-away, finding other paths to
process what is happening and what has happened. I remember
the long tradition of the Jewish Left in America, saw it
work out, at least for a while, in New York city, and
whether one might draw on that as well. We're on the brink
of inconceivable horror, even worse than the current
carpet-bombing and violent moving of populations from one
place to another, what I called at one point "annihilation:
to the limit." We live in a universal shtetl.
14. Finally, I'd even think of Thomas Merton, Liberation
Theology, the world's calling for peace over and over
again,
so many protests, so much pain distributed everywhere, and
see if it would be possible to at least begin the peace
process. I cannot imagine what it must be like living in
Gaza with continuous bombing, etc. - no sleep, no clean
clothes, no shelter, and always in a resulting state of
inconceivable anxiety and danger, sleeplessness and lack of
medication, nowhere to go, constant contradictory orders,
and people dying or wounded everywhere around you - in
other
words a phenomenological environment of pain, fear,
exhaustion, hunger, illness. That should be absolutely
paramount.
15. I know of course what I'm writing is a fiction, has no
ultimate meaning in terms of performativity; it's something
I've been thinking about for a lot time, way before August.
A final note, the simplest thing - everyone involved should
be talking, however where and when, with everyone involved.
And more than anything, this should be within a safe space
for listening as well.
- Alan
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 11:00:11 +0100
From: Gretta Louw <[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
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Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Thoughts on Israel/Palestine
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This is a great list Alan. We must hold space for imagining
paths to peace and coexistence no matter how fictitious they
might currently seem.
> On 6. Nov 2023, at 09:48, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> (apologies for so much posting recently, cutting back)
>
>
> Thoughts on Israel/Palestine
>
> 0. Like everyone else, I've been ruminating more or less in
> despair at the situation in Israel/Palestine. Until my
mother
> died, she was active in the Hadassah women's organization,
> and made many trips to the Mid-East and Europe, working on
> peace processes; I have many of her documents and some of
her
> talks here. In any case, thinking about the situation,
> however naive I might be -
>
> 1. A two-state solution is absolutely necessary; nations need
> self-governance all the way around. There's no reason that
> the West Bank and Gaza cannot be united through physical and
> eletronic internetworking that would be able to respond
> quickly to crisis.
>
> 2. Israel must pull out of Gaza; what started as defense and
> retribution has turned into a massacre on the order of
> Dresden or the Warsaw ghetto. Beyond the politics there's an
> outdated issue of saving face which is increasingly deadly.
>
> 3. I believe that Israel still has nuclear weapons, and these
> should be off the table completely. A war of any sort in
> these small areas can escalate into annihilation: to the
> limit as I once wrote.
>
> 4. The hospital systems of Gaza and Israel should connect and
> the wounded of all parties should be able to receive
> immediate treatment.
>
> 5. Talks should begin on all of this, sidelining Netanyahu and
> Hamas; there should be no room for absolutism.
>
> 6. Jerusalem, in parts, should be an international city; there
> are a number of religions which are somewhat central there,
> and there should be no competition. It would be governed
both
> as the capital of Israel and an important religious and
> political center for Arabs, Christians, and Jews.
>
> 7. I would keep in relation to 6, the ultra-orthodox out of
all
> of this; their reasoning tends towards catastrophe, and,
like
> Netanyahu, they have no interest in anything other, I think,
> than total annihilation of the Arabs. The same would hold
for
> any other religion as well. I'd argue for the UN to control
> the temple mount, wailing wall, etc.
>
> 8. A great deal of all of this should center on the Jordan
River
> which has been known for a long time to be in a contention
> that's damaging to everyone - instead there should be an
> international agency composed of all the countries involved,
> to find the best way to employ the water for agriculture and
> so forth. Likewise Israeli desalinization plants should be
> open to all. Articles I've read have indicated that this
> might well be sustainable.
>
> 9. Cross-cultural education should be offered to all and
perhaps
> made mandatory; there are too many misrecognitions among
> peoples that are resulting in the growths of hatreds.
> Face-to-face peaceful encounters should be instituted;
> there's already much too much false information online on
> both side to result in anything other than a sense of
> absolute warfare and enemies.
>
> 10. In terms of #2, the pull-out should be an immediate
priority
> and Israeli hospitals and other institutions should be open
> to receiving the wounded. In other words, there must be
> immediate steps taken, above all, to at least hint of a
> periphery of reconciliation and cooperation; the land-mass
> is too rugged, too alienating itself for anyone to prosper
> without cooperation.
>
> 11. Obviously there should be term limits on Israeli leaders;
> Netanyahu, who of course is corrupt, is going the way of
all
> strong-men, caressing the state, consolidating power,
> ensuring his continuous re-election, and working with a
> vengeful and underlying militarism that affects everything.
> The fact that he listens to no one but himself in this
> catastrophe - which he is now both creating and continuing
-
> indicates he has no desire for a peace process. I'm
reminded
> of Pogo, "We have met the enemy and he is us" - and this is
> absolutely true in this situation, with perhaps the worst
> collateral damage the world has seen since World War II;
> again Dresden comes to mind.
>
> 12. There should be any number of "temporary" withdrawals on
the
> Israeli side, to see if Hamas could be contained or even
> become part of the peace process. In other words, in order
> to give peace a chance, you need a space for peace, a space
> that would, at least for the moment, refuse recrimination
in
> the interests of the families and cultural institutions
> caught up in the middle of all of this. (Remember John and
> Yoko's bed.)
>
> 13. I wonder if lessons might not be derived from Hiroshima in
> particular, a cultural backing-away, finding other paths to
> process what is happening and what has happened. I remember
> the long tradition of the Jewish Left in America, saw it
> work out, at least for a while, in New York city, and
> whether one might draw on that as well. We're on the brink
> of inconceivable horror, even worse than the current
> carpet-bombing and violent moving of populations from one
> place to another, what I called at one point "annihilation:
> to the limit." We live in a universal shtetl.
>
> 14. Finally, I'd even think of Thomas Merton, Liberation
> Theology, the world's calling for peace over and over
again,
> so many protests, so much pain distributed everywhere, and
> see if it would be possible to at least begin the peace
> process. I cannot imagine what it must be like living in
> Gaza with continuous bombing, etc. - no sleep, no clean
> clothes, no shelter, and always in a resulting state of
> inconceivable anxiety and danger, sleeplessness and lack of
> medication, nowhere to go, constant contradictory orders,
> and people dying or wounded everywhere around you - in
other
> words a phenomenological environment of pain, fear,
> exhaustion, hunger, illness. That should be absolutely
> paramount.
>
> 15. I know of course what I'm writing is a fiction, has no
> ultimate meaning in terms of performativity; it's something
> I've been thinking about for a lot time, way before August.
> A final note, the simplest thing - everyone involved should
> be talking, however where and when, with everyone involved.
> And more than anything, this should be within a safe space
> for listening as well.
>
> - Alan
>
>
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From: Zak Qlikman <[email protected]>
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Aidan's unpleasant voice cuts through the ether, expressing
frustration and
heartache like a discordant melody in an otherwise tranquil
room.
"Why can't you take a moment to think about me?" Aidan's words
hang in the
air, heavy with emotion. "This is all a mistake. It's never
going to work."
[image: s#rroomsco - 01 Distorted views.jpg]
Zak, resigned and wearing a puzzled expression, realizes that
there's no
use in attempting a response. It's as if their words exist in
parallel
universes, never quite aligning.
Aidan, determined to be heard, presses on, "I can't handle it.
For me, it's
like cheating: You feel great, and I feel terrible."
The room feels like a theater of the absurd, with emotions and
accusations
swirling around like bizarre props in a surreal play. Zak
struggles to find
words, caught in the maelstrom of Aidan's discontent.
Aidan continues, their voice a tempest of frustration, "Why do
you always
make me feel like I'm intruding? You get all the recognition and
feedback
you want, and you always forget that I exist. It deeply hurts
me. Suddenly,
I'm not good enough anymore. That's exactly how I feel."
In this ridiculous spectacle, they're confronted with the stark
reality
that their relationship has become a farce, a carnival of
misunderstandings
and unfulfilled expectations. It's clear that their distorted
views of each
other have irreparably transformed their connection into a
bizarre circus.
They stand there, looking at each other with a mixture of regret
and
resignation.
--
http://thevisitors.jeron.org/
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