Dianna,

I have read a lot of talk about MSBuild here before, and none of it has
given me the impression that MSBuild will "bash the foundation of NAnt."
In fact, I think that the two environments will complement each other
very well. Both will have very similar features. And they may be able to
work together. There has been talk about the legalities interoperation
between the two products. 

The Mono user space will still need an opensource .NET build tool. NAnt
already exists to fill this need. It is for this reason above all others
that I do not see NAnt going anywhere anytime soon. I expect that it
will soon become an integral part of an opensource .NET IDE, and it may
already be one (I am not too knowledgeable about such things). 

While I understand that you pessimism with MSBuild vs. NAnt stems from
other Microsoft business practices, I doubt that we will see them throw
their weight around in this area. Microsoft has always been very
dependent on developers. Many of the first products that they developed
were developer tools. Pissing off .NET developers (even opensource ones)
is not a route I think that they will take.

The project manager for the Visual Studio group at Microsoft has shed
light on this issue in the past, and he has written many fond things
about NAnt and its user community. I will not try to rehash what he has
already said here. It is best to consult the archives.

-Scott

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whellams,
Chris
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:56 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
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Subject: Re: [Nant-users] MSBuilds bashing the foundation of Nant?

MS Build was presented at the PDC and there's alot of stuff on the web
if you
search in Goolge for MSBuild. I've read a few blogs where MS guys are
saying
that Ant / NAnt is the inspiration, but that they're having to roll
their own
due to licence issues with the opensource projects. I get the impression
that
they (MS Devs)would have liked to embrace & extend NAnt, but then
lawyers got
involved and canned that idea.

Given that the Msft R&D spend is sooo big, I can't see this product not
being
a success. Unfortunately it may also stunt the growth of NAnt - which is
a
shame as the work the NAnt devs do is superb. 

The good news for end users is that MSBuild is XML so a bit of XSLT
magic
should be enough to port a NAnt build to an MSBuild :)
The good(ish) news for Ant/NAnt devs is that that they can claim the
glory for
getting there first.

Rgds
Chris Whellams

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