L. David Baron wrote: > >>An observation that demonstrates that current site doesn't work for >>everyone: there are so many sites about Mozilla (for example >>mozilla-evengelism.bclary.com or mozdev.org, which hosts _documentation_ >>projects) that are not on mozilla.org > > > Have you asked *why* he doesn't use mozilla.org?
No, no one has asked me but since you have brought up the issue I will tell you. I originally asked [EMAIL PROTECTED] if it would be possible for evangelism to have a page or set of pages where we could organize and promote the Mozilla evangelism effort. It would be a place where we could post information and tools that would be appropriate for use when evangelizing sites. A related area I wished for was a newsgroup where people could discuss evangelism and suggest new ideas, and participate in the 'evangelism' community. The feedback I received was essentially that Evangelism sounded too 'kooky' or 'fanatical' and had too many associations with religion. I could not get a good response on even if the idea of a section on www.mozilla.org for evangelism was a good idea or not. It never seemed to get past the objection to the name. So I gave up, spent my own money on a domain and started mozilla-evangelism.bclary.com. However, this had no relation to your next point. > > (At one point he proposed rewriting > http://mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/ by splitting it into subpages > like "Articles", "Technotes", "Demos", etc., which I didn't find useful > for people who are looking for information. Furthermore, most of the > categories had only one or two links, while most of the links were in a > small number of categories. This also makes it hard for users to find > things because they will get discouraged after going through the > near-empty categories on separate pages. (Such an organization isn't a > problem within leaf pages, but it is a problem when the categories are > links.) I told him that such an organization wasn't useful because I > didn't think it would help people find what they were looking for, but > that he was welcome to contribute documentation into the current > organization and that if his contributions made the current page too > crowded, then I would consider an appropriate reorganization. He seemed > annoyed at not getting the privilege of reorganizing the page without > having made any prior contributions to it, and never contributed any > documentation.) I came to you with what I considered to be a straw man proposal on how to develop more web developer documentation on www.mozilla.org. There were many reasons that led to my wanting to publish documentation on www.mozilla.org rather than developer.netscape.com which I won't go into here. It is true that there were not many articles available at the time. What I tried to do with you was start a discussion of what would be needed and how to organize it in a way that would be useful to those who wanted to learn how to support the standards and Mozilla. Your response was such that it did not appear that discussing the issue with you was worth while so I dropped it. If I was annoyed it was at the way you seemed to close the door on any discussion of what should be done. Your attitude was 'a page of links is fine until we have more content'. I did not stop developing documentation for mozilla.org because of this. I did stop because of the time pressures of dealing with the other aspects of my job. However, I am *very annoyed* at having been brought into this discussion and referred to in this way. I consider your remarks derogatory and insulting. You may be brilliant and have the respect and admiration of your fans. However, all I have to say is: Go to Hell. Bob Clary
