On 2026-10-21, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In revision 1.340 of tmux on the OpenBSD repository the following
> commit statement was made:
>
>   "From Chris Lloyd with the assistance of Claude Code, GitHub
>   issue 4744."
>
> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/log/src/usr.bin/tmux/format.c
>
> In the issue report on GitHub Nicholas Marriott comments:
>
>   Because you wrote this with AI, it isn't clear that you have the
>   copyright, so we need a link to a statement from the Claude website
>   showing that they release any copyright over this code to you (and
>   therefore you own it and are able to license it with the ISC license
>   used by tmux).
>
> And Chris Lloyd then responds:
>
>   Anthropic waives all rights of the outputs of Claude.

That's like 15 lines and not something that would normally result
in a copyright addition, as long as nobody is claiming rights on it

> But in the email about ext4fs in the reply from Theo, it is clearly
> stated:
>
>    It is blatantly obvious to everyone that these AI were provided with
>    large volumes of code, and that licenses on the files are ignored,
>    because from the companies's perspective this is "teaching".
>
>    The output of these AI is a sophisticated form of pattern
>    regurgitation. Regurtigating the old.  Generally the regurgitation
>    is differnet. But that's not the real problem.
>
>    Noone can put a Copyright onto that output, because under the
>    current laws that requires a human to have created the output.
>
>    Lacking Copyright (or similarily a Public Domain declaration by a
>    human), we don't receive sufficient rights grants which would permit
>    us to include it into the aggregate body of source code, without
>    that aggregate body becoming less free than it is now.
>
> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=177425035627562&w=2
>
> Having Anthropic just waive all rights is one thing, but they
> obviously cannot waive any rights which they do not posses. As Theo
> wrote, "licenses on the files are ignored", how then can this be
> accepted by the OpenBSD project?

That's 8000-odd lines and would want a copyright addition

> My guess is that because tmux is not an internally developed
> application like OpenSSH, it is "ported" into the base system just like
> unbound, which is also not developed by OpenBSD, as such, the tmux
> project is responsible for whatever goes into the code. As the code is
> ISC license then this is compatible with the BSD license and OpenBSD
> then really doesn't need to look further into that. As long as the
> authors of tmux claim ownership of the code, which is then released
> with the ISC license, it's their problem. If a legal problem should
> arise then it's not directly relevant for OpenBSD. Should such a
> problem require code removed from tmux by upstream, OpenBSD would then
> just port the new version of tmux from upstream into the base system.
>
> Is this understood correctly?
>
> Kind regards,
> Martin
>
>


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