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On Friday, March 29, 2024, Jan Stary <[email protected]> wrote:

> > > > (The person
> > > > you're replying to should be in the To field, and the mailing list
> in the
> > > > Cc field.)
> > >
> > > I replied to the list.
> > > If you are not subscribed to the list,
> > > you don't get the list replies.
> >
> > I did not know that.
>
> Please don't send anything else to this mailing list.


Shut up. That's warranted given that this is essentially what you're
telling me here (also more explicitly in the last part of your message, as
quoted at the bottom here).


>
> > > Repeat after me: I can display what looks like a login screen;
> > > I don't to have anything to do with ctrl-alt-del to display that.
> >
> > I do not need to repeat mantras. I did not deny that programs can do
> that,
> > quite the opposite: I explicitly acknowledged that programs can do that,
> > and asked what mechanism OpenBSD provides to ensure, at the user's
> request,
> > that the operating system temporarily takes over with a real login prompt
> > that cannot be interfered with or snooped on.
>
> OpenBSD provides no "mechanism" to make it impossible for a user
> to display something that looks like a login screen; just like
> no other OS provides no such mechanism.


Once again, that's the opposite of what I said, and completely missing what
I said.


>
> > I've looked at the
> > source code and issue tracker of upstream Firefox in the past and it has
> > upstream support for pledge(2) and unveil(2).
>
> Great, you figured it out: if you want to know if a given piece of
> software uses pledge, grep its source code for pledge.


Sounds very tiresome and cumbersome to check. You failed to point at any
rule according to which I'm not permitted to ask a general question about
such software without resorting to tiresome and cumbersome manual methods
like what you're suggesting here, and you consistently ignore this by
bringing the same manual grep/find suggestion again and again with no
sensible reason given what I explained now.


>
> > Your "if there is one [program I care about]", "duh", and other things
> > you've said so far to me and I haven't pointed out in this paragraph show
> > that you're very disrespectful towards me.
>
> Nothing gets past you.


False. I strive to exercise critical thinking, analytical thinking, and
logic as much as possible. Nonsense, however, doesn't "get past me", as I
rightfully evaluate it as nonsense and therefore dismiss it. Ditto
regarding true but irrelevant things.


>
> > I saw that I got replied to using marc.info,
>
> No you didn't.


Maybe you'll understand it better if I'll rephrase, because you're
definitely lying here, with no basis:
I saw, using marc.info, that I got replied to.


>
> > and proceeded to log into my
> > email to reply, but then I didn't see that reply in my inbox. So I looked
> > at an old thread I had a few years ago on this mailing list that I knew
> > that worked well, and looked at the To and Cc fields in the exchange of
> > messages, and I assumed this is how it's always meant to be.
>
> You assumed wrong.


Correct; I assumed you made a honest mistake. I had no better way to know
what's true, however, so it's not really my fault, because I acted in a
good way within the limits of my then-current knowledge and range of
possible reactions I could react in the situation.


>
> > this isn't my first time using a mailing list,
> > but I'm pretty sure it's my second time, and I'm fairly new
> > to how mailing lists work. I deserve none of your disrespectful attitude
> > and your wrong assumption of ill intentions from me; furthermore, you
> > completely ignored the substance of the discussion in this thread, and
> did
> > not contribute anything useful to the discussion. Your entire reply was
> > meant to purposely be rude to me and attack me ad hominem. Take an
> example
> > from Luke ([email protected]), they actually contributed something
> > meaningful to the discussion and didn't act like an asshole to me. I
> > recognize your name, I know you publish lots of material about OpenBSD,
> for
> > example the links in your signature, and you're also part of the
> editorial
> > team of undeadly.org, which I frequently visit. It's a shame you're
> such an
> > asshole, though. Disgusting.
>
> Right, everybody knows PNH is a disgusting asshole contributing nothing.


Peter N. M. Hansteen's disgusting behavior has absolutely nothing to do
with any contribution he may or may not have contributed whatsoever.
Furthermore, I said quite the opposite: I mentioned how he's part of the
OpenBSD news website that I love to visit and that I've seen his name in
many places (for example, I found his networking tutorials in the past, and
saved the links for myself because it's good learning material and
interesting). I explicitly acknowledged that, and it has nothing to do with
him being an asshole anyway, yet you ignore both of these facts.


> You really need to shut the fuck up now.
>
> Please note that I am replying to you directly, off-list.
> Hint: there is a reason for that.
>

I am deliberately shaming you on a public mailing list because you're a
troll. I may also block you in my Gmail settings if I'll find the setting
in mobile. I'm giving you a middle finger.

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