On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 03:55:31PM +0000, Roderick wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Solene Rapenne wrote:
> 
> >emacs 25 has a X11 flavour -athena which do not use gtk, but you need
> >to build it from ports, there is no package for it.
> 
> And indeed I do that.
> 
> I thought that perhaps 21.4 is more stable, or less bloated ...
> 
> Interessting remains to know, what the reson was.

Your remarks prompted me to have a look myself - so those are just my
wild guesses, but:

 - a comparison between announcements for 21.1 and 22.1

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu-emacs/2001-10/msg00009.html

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu-emacs/2007-06/msg00000.html

   tells me that support for GTK started with 22.1 - and if so then 21.4
   is the latest bugfixed version without it, while still enabling
   color themes (and custom fonts?), which are very nice to have (me
   being color abuser).

 - myself, I am using 23 and 24, and comparison of their "concept
   index" info nodes shows there are 1582 and 1863 items,
   respectively. Some of those new concepts were introduced earlier
   and only documented in 24 but this gives a glimpse into amount of
   ongoing changes. There are some new Elisp functions in 24 and
   various sets of installed Elisp files for each, which makes
   supporting them both in my dot-emacs an interesting puzzle (not
   always succesfull).

> And I am tired that in some modes I cannot get emacs to stop
> writing things (like indentation) that I do not type.

I believe there is a variable to customize for this behaviour. I will
know the variable name when I find it in Elisp code down there in
sources. After that, googling for this name will be very easy.

Before this happens, I will continue to use 23 and 24 (23 does not
show me indent problem), but I feel prompted to have a look at 21 as
well (but then even more puzzles for dot-emacs).

My guess is, all those inconveniences are introduced to make more
users into looking under the hood. I have not really cared much about
such detail until I played with elpa too much and had to manually
unkcuf it.

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

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