On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 07:20:24PM +0300, Mihai Popescu wrote:
> > Maybe it could evolve into a port/package?
>
> So, what is the benefit of typing a text in a text box GUI rather than
> a terminal?
> Again, what is the benefit of displaying a list of wifi networks with
> funny beam sign (which tell you nothing, bytheway) rather that read a
> dBm result from scan option in terminal?
>
> That so called GUI will bring you nothing different from a general
> confusion. WiFi connect is an utility not a graphical application.
>
I'm going to answer that based on my extremely frustrating experiences
with my father who no longer has decent short-term memory.
I can explain to him, show him, write down for him, etc. how to use
dhclient and ifconfig. Over and over. He just can't get that or mounting
a flash drive.
This is a never ending problem. For example, we travel a lot. What do
you do at a hotel with six wifi hotspots with wpa and they are all crap?
ifconfig is great. A little too great and informative for him. At this
point, he refuses to read manual pages. Too confusing.
Perhaps a diff for ifconfig would be helpful.
-W wifi only
-s simple output (nwid, bssid, almost nothing else)
# ifconfig
lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 32768
priority: 0
groups: lo
inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3
inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
xl0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
lladdr 00:08:74:96:ba:e5
priority: 0
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
status: active
inet 192.168.44.111 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.44.255
enc0: flags=0<>
priority: 0
groups: enc
status: active
pflog0: flags=141<UP,RUNNING,PROMISC> mtu 33192
priority: 0
groups: pflog
bwi0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
lladdr 00:16:01:18:d1:9e
priority: 4
groups: wlan egress
media: IEEE802.11 autoselect (OFDM36 mode 11g)
status: active
ieee80211: nwid IliumLT500 chan 6 bssid bc:44:34:1e:51:52 40dBm
wpakey 0xeb192b9fce29f97cc5c1d9c614ecf663a7370cd655b76e82b01c9111738d1dae
wpaprotos wpa1,wpa2 wpaakms psk wpaciphers tkip,ccmp wpagroupcipher tkip
inet 192.168.43.71 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.43.255
This is just too much for someone like him too make any sense of.
Personally, I hate GUI crap. But there are people who actually NEED it.
He is as firmly dedicated to using OpenBSD as I am.
I bought a second hand computer that has windows 7 on it.
If we bring that up while any USB OpenBSD drives are plugged in,
the first thing to appear on the screen is that we need to format those disks!
Disturbing.
Chris Bennett
