Why are people poluting our lists with systemd rants??? There is nothing to discuss since we do not want and will never have systemd. If you don't understand what the systemd-utl GSoC is about then move along.
Gustav Fransson Nyvell <[email protected]> wrote: >On 06/29/14 13:09, bodie wrote: >> On 29.06.2014 12:40, Eric Furman wrote: >>> My real helpful comments are that it violates every real concept of UNIX >>> Do ONE thing and do it WELL >> >> It's because RedHat (and Oracle) doesn't care about Unix principles >> (or initial ideas of Linux). They are stating it quite clearly and yet >> people and communities can't see that. Especially RedHat does not care >> about Linux or Unix as such. It's company, they want to make profit >> and create form of vendor lock in. That's how sharks operate in that >> territory. Thinking that they will listen to any one be it some >> community leader or some big distribution is at least naive. Look at >> ArchLinux, Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenSuSe, Debian, Gentoo and others. It's >> either shut up and play with us or leave "Linux" game nowadays. And >> because most of the development is done anyway in RedHat and/or Oracle >> they either need to follow or dissapear. So here's that true freedom >> hidden in GPL. Following orders of one/two big corporations and that's >> it. BSD world had crash with corporate world in 90's in USL vs BSDi >> and BSD won, but seems like corporations found another way how to >> cripple Unix roots to its knees. >> >> Think about why Linus is so much in rage mood this year against >> various devs from RedHat and yet can do shit about them because he's >> no longer in control and he knows it. No wonder he choose to focus >> more on on-line Linux courses under Linuxfoundation (he will not have >> so much time for kernel during those for sure). >> >> >>> Systemd does none of these things. >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 29, 2014, at 04:51 AM, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: >>>> > >>>> https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systemd-utl.git;a=blob;f=scripts/gen-gdbus-interfaces.sh;h=f827434d0211ea8765c075fdb2916386ffc16ecb;hb=HEAD >>>> > >>>> > btw. it's bashism in a posix shell suit? >>>> >>>> If that is all you were able to spot then move along :-) >>>> It's very pre-alpha WIP and many things will be modified. If you have >>>> real helpful comments to make, feel free to contact Ian, landry@ and >>>> myself. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Antoine >> >UNIX is very old. Some hang on to one or two principles like they're the >word of god. For example, in this discussion, that one tool should do >one thing and do it well. It kind of makes you blind. Look at the bigger >picture. Isn't systemd doing one thing and doing it well? Sure, it's >opaque, I guess. Do you miss configuring by file? I do, I think it's >reliable. Maybe systemd needs a bit of KISS criticism, because it sure >isn't looking simple. At the end of the day, all we need is a running >system, we don't need... dbus. However, like I started this, the word of >god gets in the way, there are a lot of convenient things going on in >Linux (or Ubuntu, I used Ubuntu.) This is where you hate me but I like >the kernel or system to use the entire computer for the task I am doing, >but I am mainly a "desktop" user or non-server user, at least on the >home laptop. When I compile, I want ALL resources working towards it. If >I watch a movie, ALL resources towards it. The machine's focus should be >on what I want to do. And... well, this is where UNIX gets in the way. I >think we could develop UNIX, just look at Plan 9. There are some great >ideas in there. Which have been implemented too. Everything as a file, >is a very good idea. It's very simple. UNIX does not have this idea in >it. But I think like Theo de Raadt wrote, "I don't know what they are >chasing" about the corporations, Red Hat et al. It's not the finer >points of computer discoveries they're after. Plan 9 isn't a huge >commercial success, but it's fine. Well, just my two cents! > >-- >This e-mail is confidential and may not be shared with anyone other than >recipient(s) without written permission from sender. Public domain through >misc@
