On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 06:37:16AM -0600, Diana Eichert wrote: > I think one of the best things a new user of OpenBSD is to use and > understand the port/package system. Otherwise we end up with whiner's > saying "This Package or That Package Isn't Available". Then we end up > sounding like Linux RPM whiners!
hi5 diana! that touches on somewhat of a hidden meaning or underspoken idea that i had; i was thinking that new users should really try to do as much unsupported stuff as they possibly can (go nuts, do a few make builds with custom CFLAGS and custom kernel, play with dmassage, make all ports from scratch, etcetc) so long as they SHUT UP ABOUT IT when things go wrong; or perhaps better, then go through the supported procedure correctly a few times and watch how things *really* aren't running much slower and *really* work. if going through the supported procedure correctly doesn't work, chances are one incorrectly went through the supported procedure correctly. <G> sooner or later, it is likely that users will gravitate towards the supported/GENERIC standard configs as they realize that almost by and large, it's a more effective use of their own physical lifetime. for the situations where you want to do something out of the normal band, now you have some experience to help with. or, an alternative result is that they really do end up having a happy and successful time doing everything their own way, and they're good enough at it to not bother anyone (perhaps that's a bit fantastic). probably the biggest thing people, incl. myself, are guilty of is thinking that they did everything right and it is something in the system that is wrong or suboptimal. what is more likely to be the case is that the system works bloody fine, or if not, it is being fixed already by someone who is making a diff and not just preparing a post about it. wow i'm OT. * ppl should take note that OP *did* put the whole dmesg tho, which is how he got the right answer in the shortest possible amount of time. > I think I need more coffee, s/think/know/ jared -- [ openbsd 3.7 GENERIC ( may 17 ) // i386 ]
