Please unsubscribe me from this list On 28 Jan 2016 9:49 pm, <[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Python User Group meeting: Monday 1 February! > (Juan Nunez-Iglesias) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 05:51:37 +1100 > From: N6151H <[email protected]> > To: Melbourne Python Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Question re job ads from recruiters > Message-ID: > < > calz4+ljthrb53ax+-zngmk1vh8dtr3nabklbhk-wq5ygtz1...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Well said. > On 27/01/2016 11:35 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 2016-01-27 16:07, Andrew Stuart wrote: > > > >> I?m curious to know why the limitations on job postings from recruiters? > >> > > > > Hi, Andrew. > > > > Thanks for asking. Also thanks for engaging the Python community as a > > member, not as an outsider. I liked your Pycon Au presentation last year, > > hope to see more from you in the future. > > > > Since I wrote the policy, and it's a bit ambiguous despite many voices > > agreeing on its main thrust, here's my rationale for writing it: > > > > The Python Users Group is for the benefit of its members. Traffic on the > > list has to have perceived benefits to them. > > > > Others have already spoken to the frustration of mismatched expectations > > between posting and interview. But it's also true good recruiters can > help > > in matching jobs to candidates, if the candidates feel they have control > > over their job search, by having enough information as they go in. > Cloaked > > posts are almost information free. > > > > Job postings that don't mention the employer nor the salary aren't useful > > to MPUG members on the list for the following reasons: > > > > - people who are already looking for work can already find those same job > > postings on seek, monster, etc. [1] > > > > - people who aren't already looking for work get no benefit, there's very > > little incentive to ask about it. > > > > The only benefit of job postings with no stated employer/salary is to the > > recruiters that can get a leg over other recruiters if people apply > through > > them instead of going through other people. If we said yes to this type > of > > cloaked postings, we'd get more of them, without any benefit for the > > community. > > > > So really, recruiters per se are not the target of this policy. Postings > > with no added value to our constituency are. Nobody has complained when > > Planet Innovation, the BOM, Biarri or Medibank (recent examples I > remember) > > posted help wanted ads, not because they were not via recruiter, but > > because posting was informational. > > > > These are useful help-wanted notices, both to those looking for work and > > to those who aren't. We welcome this kind of postings by anyone. In fact, > > these are the ones that stick enough that I have told people in my > circles > > to go talk to these companies if they were looking for work. I don't do > > that with cloaked postings. > > > > I understand this may not have been clear enough, so I will find a better > > redaction for the policy and link it to this email message for future > > reference. > > > >> Perhaps if there was a jobs mailing list address then people could > >> tune out of the noise by moving the job postings off the main list. > >> > > > > Anybody who wants to start a melbourne-python-jobs mailing list can do > it. > > Many here might even subscribe to it, or send notices to it if they ever > > need someone. Someone has to take on the job. > > > > Regards, > > Javier > > > > [1] To be fair, search engines are spammier than recruiter emails, which > > at least usually write to the mailing list for the programming language > and > > city fitting the position, while job postings on search engines are often > > fishing expeditions mentioning languages that will never be used on the > > job, cities that they hope the candidate will move from, etc. Still, the > > consensus is that cloaked job postings are not good enough for a > community > > mailing list. We expect better. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > melbourne-pug mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/melbourne-pug/attachments/20160128/83977665/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 06:00:44 +1100 > From: Andrew Stuart <[email protected]> > To: Melbourne Python Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Question re job ads from recruiters > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks Javier I understand and thanks for taking the time to explain. > > Andrew > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:26:17 +1100 > From: Ed Schofield <[email protected]> > To: Melbourne Python Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: [melbourne-pug] Python User Group meeting: Monday 1 February! > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi everyone! > > We're going to hold the first Melbourne Python User Group meeting of 2016 > on Monday evening next week, 1 February. > > Please note that the start time will be *6:00 for 6:15pm*. (There have > been some changes in the venue's policy that require that we not start > setting up until 6pm.) It will be at Inspire9, Level 1, 41 Stewart Street, > Richmond. > > Talks: > > - I'll give a survey talk about different Python data tools: toolz, NumPy, > Pandas, xarray, Blaze, Dask, bcolz, and PySpark. The ecosystem has been > evolving quickly and I'll give an overview comparing and contrasting these > tools and when to use what for different applications. > > - There's time for more talks! If you'd like to give a talk, please email > the list or me. We're keen to hear from you! > > Job forum: > > - Following on from recent email threads about jobs, we'll experiment with > running a quick "job forum" like the Sydney Python User Group's. If you > have a Python job you'd like to advertise, or if you are looking for a > Python-related job, we'll give you the opportunity to take the mic! > > Then we'll have time for pizza, drinks and general catching up after the > Christmas / New Year break. > > We'll have a good turnout on Monday according to the Meetup page. (If you > are registered there but can no longer come, please change your status to > "not coming" so the people on the waiting list can come!) I look forward to > see you there! > > Best wishes, > Ed > > > -- > Dr. Edward Schofield > Python Charmers > http://pythoncharmers.com <http://pythoncharmers.com/> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/melbourne-pug/attachments/20160128/c1583808/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:48:14 +1100 > From: Juan Nunez-Iglesias <[email protected]> > To: Melbourne Python Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Python User Group meeting: Monday 1 > February! > Message-ID: <37582e7e-da7f-4940-9d49-afd73f2d4b51@Spark> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hey Ed! (et al) > > Any chance of postponing this to the 8th? Linux Conf Australia is on Feb > 1-5 in Geelong and I'll be going to the Monday and Tuesday sessions. But > I'd really like to come to the inaugural 2016 MPUG! > > Juan. > > > On 28 Jan 2016, 9:26 PM +1100, Ed Schofield<[email protected]>, wrote: > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/melbourne-pug/attachments/20160128/3ed9b6a9/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > > ------------------------------ > > End of melbourne-pug Digest, Vol 115, Issue 10 > ********************************************** >
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