And indeed: it would be nice if one could have an extra column Latest Version in Special:Version Installed extensionsSemantic extensionsExtensionVersionLatest Version DescriptionAuthorsSemantic Forms Inputs <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms_Inputs>0.9.0 alpha 0.7Additional input types forSemantic Forms <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Semantic_Forms>Stephan Gambke <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:F.trott> and othersSemantic MediaWiki <https://semantic-mediawiki.org/>1.8.0.52 <http://drebbel.net/wiki/Special:Version/License/Semantic_MediaWiki>.3Making your wiki more accessible - for machines*and* humans (online documentation <http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:User_manual>)Markus Krötzsch <http://korrekt.org/>, Denny Vrandecic <http://simia.net/>, Jeroen De Dauw <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Jeroen_De_Dauw>and others
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Francis Franck <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for your support, Tharpenator. > > I must say I am a great Mediawiki and SMW fan and I admire the way it > develops and the proficiency of the people behind it. > > I am pretty familiar with various platforms (Wordpress, Windows 10, > Joomla, Vtiger, Silverstripe) of which Mediawiki certainly is the most > complex. My main problem is the modularity and the reaction chain caused by > some upgrades. For example: going up to SMW 2.3 and then finding that Maps > and Forms no longer work. Then upgrading Maps and Forms and notice that > this was to no avail and having to restore everything. I have about 80 > extensions in my Wiki and I'm now at a level where I will have to do what > others are doing: leave things where they are and stop updating. Much to my > regret, because I'm noticing progress in several aspects which won't be > available to my users and myself. > > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 11:01 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Tyler, I agree composer is a great tool if you can run it. And I agree >> most extensions that need be installed via composer can be done without, >> but how clear is that to the average Mediawiki website operator? Put >> yourself in the shoes of someone who runs a Wordpress site and than also >> tries to run a Mediawiki site. The learning curve is a lot higher and there >> is a lot of confusion in the process. Francis, in the earlier thread, said >> users like him maybe were the minority (those who don't have command >> access), but the reality is over 70% of all third party users to Mediawiki >> do not upgrade -- so the majority is being left behind. >> >> Somethings will always be complex, but surely Mediawiki could be made a >> little more user friendly for the vast majority of people (a principle in >> alignment with the democratic drives behind the wiki community). Anyone >> know an easy way to find a new extension? No, the Martix broke down two >> years ago and no one has fixed it. We have wikimedia commons, that awesome >> site of millions of images, that can be embedded into any Mediawiki site -- >> why can't here there be a special page on every wiki that shows new >> extensions? Special: Version is a great page, but why can't it be more >> insightful? Maybe listing extensions that need to be updated (I think >> there's old out dated extension that tried to do this) and one day also >> allowing for the update to happen at the push of a button. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Dec 6, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Tyler Romeo <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Just wanna say that it's unfair to group Composer into that. I >> understand the difficult of multi-platform support (specifically throwing >> node.js and other things into the mix), but Composer is just, at it's base, >> a PHP file manager. >> > >> > Any extension that can "only be installed with Composer", can actually >> be installed without Composer. You can manually copy the extension files >> into the proper location, or you can even just run Composer locally and >> then upload the result. (I'm pretty sure we have a tool that gives you a >> pre-packaged tarball.) It's significantly better than other PHP solutions >> like PEAR. >> > >> > -- >> > Tyler Romeo >> > https://parent5446.nyc >> > 0x405D34A7C86B42DF >> > >> > From: Francis Franck <[email protected]> >> > Reply: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list < >> [email protected]> >> > Date: December 6, 2015 at 10:23:25 >> > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list < >> [email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] What PHP version do you use? (Chris Koerner) >> > >> > I fully agree with David Shaw. >> > I just posted the following: >> > >> > Why, oh why is this environment getting so complex for users who have no >> >> terminal access to their server? Or am I the only one? >> >> >> >> Many extensions can only be installed via Composer. VisualEditor >> requires >> >> Parsoid. And so on. It's made impossible for us to stay up to date. >> Maybe >> >> users like myself are just a minority, but it is still a pity. >> Especially >> >> so because up to a year ago it all seemed so promising. >> >> >> > Kind regards, >> > >> > Francis >> > >> > >> >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 5:14 PM, David Shaw <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I concur with those who mention the difficulty of upgrading. I'm >> running >> >> MW 1.26.0 in a single-click installation on AWS. >> >> >> >> Other products I use -- including open source -- have a graceful and >> >> online update process. >> >> >> >> MW is built by developers for developers. I'm not a developer and every >> >> time I upgrade I'm scared. It's a fraught exercise. >> >> >> >> I have a few things that don't work, and I have no idea why. For >> >> example, file uploads stopped working somewhere along the way but I >> >> don't know when exactly. I didn't change file permissions; although >> I've >> >> fiddled with them endlessly since. I suspect it's something in the base >> >> AWS stack, but what? [Permissions seem to be an area of discussion with >> >> different falvours of Linux.] >> >> >> >> I would like to install Parsoid (why isn't it in the base install?) but >> >> nobody can offer insight into how to install it at docroot when you >> only >> >> have docroot access. I hired a Linux pro to help with that one and he >> >> threw his hands up. [Installation is easy, but how do you start it up >> >> automatically?] >> >> >> >> Why is the mobile frontend an add-on and not the default? It's 2015... >> >> >> >> Quite a few extensions have gone to a DevOps approach of continuous >> >> development and release, but how do I know when to update them? There >> is >> >> no online notifiction. >> >> >> >> All of these and more point to the legacy and Dev nature of MW. >> >> >> >> David >> >> >> >>> On 05/12/2015 7:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Re: What PHP version do you use? 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