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 Date: Saturday, January 31, 2015, 1:00 PM
 
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    1. Re: LiquidThreads backstory? (Max
 Semenik)
    2. Re: SVG thumbnailing (Brenton Horne)
    3. Re: Problems with Special:ActiveUsers
 since update from 1.22
       to 1.24 (Jakub Klinkovský)
 
 
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 Message: 1
 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 16:40:26 -0800
 From: Max Semenik <[email protected]>
 To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
     <[email protected]>
 Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] LiquidThreads backstory?
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 On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Jason Ji <[email protected]>
 wrote:
 
 > Thanks for your feedback. To clarify a bit, we're not
 thinking of using
 > LiquidThreads as it is - we have a different extension
 we will be building,
 > with some different needs than LQT has. For example, we
 may not need any
 > integration with watchlists. So our thought is that we
 might fork LQT and
 > modify it to suit our needs. We're still very early in
 the design phase.
 >
 
 The bad part of LQT is not about interaction with watchlist.
 It will be
 essentially untouched by any trimming short of complete
 rewrite.
 
 
 > Max - when you say just use Flow, do you mean we should
 fork the Flow code
 > base and work from there, or that we should just
 install Flow? Flow looks
 > interesting, but we're not sure it will have the
 features we need, and our
 > timeframe is likely to be shorter than the timeframe of
 Flow development.
 >
 
 If you fork something, you will have to maintain it forever
 - why not put
 the same effort in contributing to mainline instead? And
 Flow is quite
 complete for most use cases, and its team is mostly working
 on adding
 support for various crazy workflows user communities have
 created in more
 than 10 years without a good discussion system. I don't
 think you need to
 wait for these.
 
 
 > Is there somewhere I can go read in detail about the
 bugs and unfixable
 > problems with LQT? We might not fork LQT at all, but we
 were also thinking
 > of using wiki pages to store comment text. So if that
 idea is fundamentally
 > broken, it would be great to know why.
 
 
 I already explained why, bugs are here:
 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/search/query/ojED3mdcIKDQ/
 
 
 -- 
 Best regards,
 Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]])
 
 
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 Message: 2
 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:32:39 +1000
 From: Brenton Horne <[email protected]>
 To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
     <[email protected]>
 Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] SVG thumbnailing
 Message-ID: <[email protected]>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
 
 librsvg didn't work. I've installed it via cygwin (I'm
 running Windows 7 
 64 bit). I even directed MediaWiki (via $wgSVGConverterPath
 = 
 'C:\cygwin64\usr\include\librsvg-2.0\librsvg';) towards the
 directory 
 where it is installed. Any other ideas?
 
 On 31/01/2015 5:11 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:
 > It looks like you're defaulting to converting SVGs
 using ImageMagick, which
 > can be a bit flaky (and there also seems to be a
 version mismatch where it
 > doesn't like the options being given to it.)
 >
 > If you can, try switching the SVG renderer to rsvg,
 which is the tool we
 > use on Wikipedia:
 >
 > * install 'librsvg' (and if necessary 'librsvg-bin')
 package on the system;
 > should be available in standard Linux package managers
 as it's a library
 > used by GNOME desktop. Also available through Homebrew
 on Macs. Not sure
 > about Windows. :)
 >
 > * in LocalSettings.php set:
 >
 >    $wgSVGConverter = 'rsvg';
 >
 >
 > As for the borders and such, you probably need to copy
 some CSS styles from
 > the [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] page from Wikipedia.
 >
 > -- brion
 >
 >
 > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Brenton Horne <[email protected]>
 > wrote:
 >
 >> Hi,
 >>
 >> I've noticed that SVG thumbnailing on my new
 locally-hosted Wiki is
 >> thumbnailing svgs incorrectly. This is what it
 appears like atm when
 >> incorporated into an infobox:
 http://i.stack.imgur.com/dRWkj.png.
 >> Likewise I've also noticed there's no enclosing box
 around infoboxes in my
 >> Wiki, which you can also see in this image. This is
 the sort of infobox
 >> formatting I'd like
 http://i.stack.imgur.com/aI0Tx.png.
 >>
 >> Thanks for your time,
 >> Brenton
 >>
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 Message: 3
 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:55:22 +0100
 From: Jakub Klinkovský <[email protected]>
 To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
     <[email protected]>
 Cc: [email protected],
 [email protected]
 Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] Problems with Special:ActiveUsers
 since
     update from 1.22 to 1.24
 Message-ID: <[email protected]>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
 
 On 28.01.15 at 13:57, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote:
 > The special page was rewritten in MediaWiki 1.23 to
 make it usable on wikis
 > the size of Wikipedia (commit 87be24db /
 > https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/110299/
 and some follow-up changes).
 > Unfortunately this optimization for massive wikis seems
 to have caused the
 > performance to suffer on smaller ones a bit.
 > 
 > (I have no answer to your problems, just saying this.
 :( Perhaps it helps
 > someone else help you.)
 > 
 > -- 
 > Bartosz Dziewoński
 
 I've also noticed that with each time the
 Special:ActiveUsers page is reloaded,
 the time value in the message
 
 > You are viewing a cached version of this page, which
 can be up to ... old.
 
 is decreased by 20 minutes on the "small" wikis, and by 10
 minutes on "large"
 wikis such as Wikipedia. The message of the above linked
 commit is
 
 > Made ActiveUsers use querycache and do staggered
 updates on view
 
 Is this what "staggered updates" are supposed to do? Does
 the cached page age
 really depend on how frequently it is loaded by users? This
 would explain why
 the age is over 29 days for small wikis, while large wikis
 serve ~1day old page.
 
 CC'ing the author and committer of the change, so that we
 don't have to
 speculate anymore... The original post of this thread can be
 viewed here:
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2015-January/043850.html
 
 --
 Jakub Klinkovský
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